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To: LurkedLongEnough
I think this is outrageous in light of the fact that cities and counties have been forced to withdraw anything relating to religion. I have even read where communities are complaining about church bells. We don't celebrate Christmas anymore we celebrate the winter "holiday." To even consider an ordance that would allow this special treatment is simply because these people are muslims and it is purely disgusting.

When are the people that immigrate here going to assimilate? This is what I find fault with regarding the whole of immigration. Our country was started because we wanted religious freedom and we are now shutting all those doors to ourselves. The doors should be shut to the immigrants who seem to be setting new standards for our country. Why is this happening--for tolerance? BAH HUMBUG!!
10 posted on 04/19/2004 2:49:58 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: Trout-Mouth
They'll probably illicit the help of the ACLU and they'll start the ball rolling by trying to silence church bells.
13 posted on 04/19/2004 2:54:43 PM PDT by Master of Orion
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To: All
I had a private mail from a new registrant as follows:

Betaille; CatoRenasci; TonyRo76; Papatom; chuckwalla

I would like to ask you folks a question: how do you reconcile you're proposed actions regarding Muslims with the principles our country was founded on?

It angers me when people such as yourselves are willing to throw away all the sacrifice and noble effort that has made our nation the best in the history of the world. We are better than the Taliban, we are better than the Saudi royals, and we are better than Hamas because we are DIFFERENT than them. The things you are proposing would change that.

When you fantasize about gun owners "going after" Muslims, propose kicking them out of the U.S., or advocate starting a new crusade, you are betraying the ideals of our country. Not to mention the rule of law. (BTW, the whole Crusade thing? What the hell century do you think this is?)

I am eager to hear how you reconcile your positions with the spirit of our country.

My reply:

I don't fantasize about gun owners going after Moslems.

I do think that unless Moslems living in the United States and the Western democracies are willing to assimilate and truly give their allegience to the classical liberal premises of our polity: separation of church and state, religous tolerance (and I don't mean Moslem notions of dhimmitude), capitalism and individual liberty, they should not be here. The sort of medieval customs of forced marriage, honor killings and the murder of apostates must be expressly eschewed. Moslem citizens of the Western countries and the United States must become ACTIVE in assisting the federal and state police authorities against Islamist terrorists. They haven't to date.

In a war, and I believe we are in a war, sometimes civil liberties are infringed. Even Lincoln suspended habeus corpus during the Civil War. I regret it, but I do believe that Moslems in America (and Europe) must make a choice whether their primary loyalty is to the Constitution of the United States or to some pan-Arab Islamist dream of a world dominated by Islam in its current form: which means mistreatment of Christians and Jews -- there is no religious freedom in Moslem countries -- the murder of apostates, medieval laws and an intellectual backwardness that astonishes anyone who truly understands it.

If Moslems here cannot in deed, not just word, be firm supporters of our secular democracy, they cannot object it society, in order to defend the liberty of all, removes them from the society until the war is won.

The record to date, both here and in Europe, suggests that many Moslems here and there actually support Islamism, and that the vast majority is unwilling to do anything to aid the government in the prevention of terror here and abroad.

Cheers,

Cato

24 posted on 04/19/2004 3:00:33 PM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabia Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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