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Thanks, $360billion to $293billion reduction in state expenditures you say?

No. That is the federal sales tax they would pay. This would be an increase in their expenditures.

since one must note those burdens are implicit in the prices those state & local governments pay for consumption now, and thus are embedded in the taxes you pay them today.

I thought the idea was to get rid of hidden taxes.

Seeing the NRST will be collected by the state as well, embedding in taxes paid by the individual for which he receives a detailed receipt has little meaning don't you think?

What? The taxes will be embedded in the sales, income, property, etc. taxes we pay our state and local governments.

The issue of embedding is one of visibility of the whole tax burden on the individual, (i.e. the measure of cost of government to the citizen). You wish to reform the state tax systems to create more visibility for the citizen of your state above and beyond what the NRST can provide for federal tax on the individual. I won't stand in your way.

With the NRST, the federal government will be taxing us ~$300 billion through the states. How is that making things more visible? Just don't charge the state and local governments federal sales taxes (like they are currently exempt from federal excise taxes) and they won't have to embed the federal taxes in the taxes they charge us. Sure the NRST rate will have to go up, but wouldn't that make things more visible?

While you're at it, don't have the federal government charge itself a sales tax. That's just phoney.

No. That is the federal sales tax they would pay. This would be an increase in their expenditures.

Wrong, they pay 20-25% today embedded in the goods and services that local and state goverments purchase. That tax burden is repealed under the NRST.

since one must note those burdens are implicit in the prices those state & local governments pay for consumption now, and thus are embedded in the taxes you pay them today.

I thought the idea was to get rid of hidden taxes.

Sounds good, now change state tax law to do that, make the entire system one comprehensive retail sales tax system based on the NRST proposal, All taxes would become visible in one comprehensive composite tax with line items for each level of govenment, (NRST+State+ City+County) by those who pay them, the citizen.

Sounds good to me, but the first step is to get the federal system on line, by which the tax base is defined.

What? The taxes will be embedded in the sales, income, property, etc. taxes we pay our state and local governments.

If you pay em, you see them do you not? Visibility by the citizen of the bottom line he pays his government. However, NRST conformant tax system across the board would tax clean up the multiple tax situation nicely providing one place to look, hit on the grocery ticket.

With the NRST, the federal government will be taxing us ~$300 billion through the states. How is that making things more visible?

State an local taxes are paid by the individual citizen that's who needs to see them afterall.

While you're at it, don't have the federal government charge itself a sales tax. That's just phoney.

So is the Budget Enforcement Act and its static analysis revenue neutrality requirement. Get rid of that and the whole tax the government issue goes away. That is if you can get passed the liberal filibuster to kill that law. Its their source for their favorite "pay for that tax cut" game.

There will be no replacement of the income or payroll taxes, by any tax system without answering to that hurdle.

I prefer to tackle one hurdle at a time myself. Wholesale change of the method of taxation is more than enough bite without adding a million others on top of it.