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To: flashbunny
“The thing is we actually need and use highways. And that the money used to pay for highways comes from people who will be using them.“

Somebody in Houston is going to have one hell of a smug look on his/her face when gasoline hits $3 a gallon and they are riding that train downtown to work. Public transportation in heavily populated urban centers is the intelligent alternative. I don't care what city it is.

55 posted on 04/24/2004 8:43:15 AM PDT by sinclair (If you don't stop and think, then it doesn't matter whether you are a genius or a moron)
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To: sinclair
Somebody in Houston is going to have one hell of a smug look on his/her face when gasoline hits $3 a gallon and they are riding that train downtown to work. Public transportation in heavily populated urban centers is the intelligent alternative. I don't care what city it is.

There are several problems with that.

First, in order to ride a train downtown to work a train must go from the suburbs to downtown. Metrorail doesn't and Metrorail's planned expansions will not. Houston's suburbs are 20-30 miles outside of the city and Metrorail, both now and 20 years from now when Phase II is complete, will not service any area more than about 6 miles outside of downtown.

Second, Houston's urban center is not heavily populated, never has been, and likely never will be. It's a decentralized city with low population density. Nobody lives downtown save a few highrises and apartment complexes. It would also be an inefficient use of land to build more apartment complexes or highrises there as doing so would consume more lucrative real estate from commercial and hotel uses. Therefore your assumption about rail being an "intelligent alternative" does not hold.

Third, it does indeed matter what city it is. Houston is not New York and New York is not Houston. Take an example: Building a subway system in Houston, for example, would not work even if New York has it. Why? Because Houston's land is clay-based and prone to flooding. Take another example: building an oil refinery near downtown NYC won't work like it does for Houston because there isn't nearby oil pumping into NYC to be refined. You'd have to ship it over long distances from somewhere else.

61 posted on 04/24/2004 11:05:42 AM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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To: sinclair
"Somebody in Houston is going to have one hell of a smug look on his/her face when gasoline hits $3 a gallon and they are riding that train downtown to work."

Yes, because somebody else is subsidizing their trip to work. If I had 50% or more of my travel costs paid for by someone else, I'd be smiling while driving, too.

" Public transportation in heavily populated urban centers is the intelligent alternative. I don't care what city it is."

Then why is a failure in Los angeles? Unless you count empty train cars as a success.
89 posted on 04/24/2004 11:06:01 PM PDT by flashbunny (Taxes are not levied for the benefit of the taxed.)
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To: sinclair
"Public transportation in heavily populated urban centers is the intelligent alternative. I don't care what city it is."

On the off chance that you might be correct, let me point out that Houston scarcely fits that bill: it has a downtown, alright, but people commute there from all over the countryside, not from one central point you could put a train station.

151 posted on 04/27/2004 8:55:15 AM PDT by Redbob
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