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Kerry has shrapnel in left thigh from Vietnam War injury
AP ^ | 4/24/4 | NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 04/23/2004 2:43:12 PM PDT by SF Republican

John Kerry has a piece of shrapnel in his left thigh from an injury he suffered in the Vietnam War, his doctor said Friday during a review of 36 pages of the Democratic presidential candidate's military medical records.

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KEYWORDS: airportmetaldetactor; didimentionmyservice; hewasinvietnam; kerry; medicalrecords; needbigmagnet; purpleheart; senatorpapercut; vietnamwar; vietnamwarinjury; weknowyouwereinnam
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Before I sign off...no it was NOT that dirtball branch Kerry was speaking to... those dirtballs glommed onto causes that were of deep concern to intelligent, decent people. They were the fringe. They just liked getting loaded and having a wild atmosphere in which to misbehave.
261 posted on 04/23/2004 10:09:37 PM PDT by Eowyn-of-Rohan
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Yup, playing devil's advocate by showing what is sounds like from the other side was my intention. It also shows that this is a losing issue for the Republicans. Stupid too.

Hang Kerry for his post "Nam stuff. Let his and Bush's service records be.

262 posted on 04/23/2004 10:09:55 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Eowyn-of-Rohan
3) Kerry's statements to Congress back in '71 were RIGHT IN LINE with the thinking, the concerns, and popular, counter-culture opinion of the times.

You're right about that; the "culture" that wanted to destroy this country. Thank goodness there weren't that many of them.

He spoke for an entire generation with his words back then, who thought that young American men's lives were being ruined and/or destroyed for a futile cause.

He spoke for himself and his band of American hating "brothers," most of who lied about even BEING in Vietnam.

The counter culture was trying to SAVE these men--not denigrate them.

No, they were and are trying to destroy this country; we stood up to them back in the 60's and 70's and now they're back to try to finish America off.

Many veterans were forced into service, and many of them, and others who were NOT forced, but whose minds were changed after serving, looked at Kerry as their spokesperson.

Did you miss seeing John O'Neill all over TV this very week?

It is easy now to say what he did was self serving...now that he is running for office.

Actually officers AND people who served with him said it back then.

As I said, I am not a Kerry fan

You could have fooled me.

but I do not believe his appearance before Congress back then was self serving.

Proving how little you know about what really went on back then.

263 posted on 04/23/2004 10:11:44 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Eowyn-of-Rohan
Kerry was part of that dirtball bunch. Accusations of war crimes, etc... was the standard M.O. of that bunch...
264 posted on 04/23/2004 10:12:14 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (I havn't seen my therapist in 5 years. Neither has anyone else ;0))
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To: AnAmericanMother
I was almost 20 in '71...Kerry wasn't speaking for "an entire generation" - he was speaking for a small group of liberals "

A SMALL group of LIBERALS? You obviously weren't there, baby!! LOL Good night

265 posted on 04/23/2004 10:13:03 PM PDT by Eowyn-of-Rohan
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To: Destro
As I said, I am not denigrating shrapnel wounds.

However, there is no doubt that Kerry wanted to leave the impression that his wounds were far more serious. This is fraudulent.

My husband was a Russian linguist. He could go around telling people he "dealt with the Russians," leaving a different impression of his service. It wouldn't techinically be untrue, but it would be misleading.

If you wish to hold Kerry up as an example of a Viet Nam vet, go ahead. I know a whole lot of guys who served longer and sacrificed more in that war, including the democrat governor of our state, who was a POW and rarely mentions it.

266 posted on 04/23/2004 10:17:36 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Why in the world do you think Kerry wants to dredge up Nam in this campaign? Is he stupid or his campaign managers? Did he think, or they, that this nonsense would cover for his dismal senate record over the years? He has not introduced a bill in years, actually. I am mystified.
267 posted on 04/23/2004 10:18:00 PM PDT by Conservababe
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To: Destro
I'm surprised at you, Destro.

Don't you know that that "story" is in doubt?

If that's such a big story, why don't you go find Douglas Brinkley's book -- you know "the" biography of John Kerry -- and tell me what page that story is on.

I'll wait.

Here's a hint for you: IT"S NOT IN THE BOOK...........how about that.........John Kerry, the Vietnam War hero did NOT tell Douglas Brinkley -- the man he COOPERATED with to write the defining book about HIS life -- that story........

It ONLY came out AFTER he was losing......and guess what......after the man came forward, he won Iowa!

The story is DISPUTED. Most people say Kerry was careless and threw the man out of his boat and had no choice but to save him.

What's gotten into you? You're usually more accurate than this, even when I don't agree with you.
268 posted on 04/23/2004 10:18:43 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Miss Marple
If you wish to hold Kerry up as an example of a Viet Nam vet, go ahead.

??? All I said was leave the service record alone as an issue for Bush and for Kerry.

269 posted on 04/23/2004 10:20:19 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Conservababe
Actually, the big question I have is - why is his claimed record (War crimes, free-fire zones, burning villages etc...) going over so well with the same people who were against that stuff 30 years ago...
270 posted on 04/23/2004 10:20:24 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (I havn't seen my therapist in 5 years. Neither has anyone else ;0))
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To: Eowyn-of-Rohan
Don't believe everything you read. In those days, the media was controlled by the likes of Walter Cronkite, and if you were a "young girl then," you heard just what they told you.

It may be because I had so many military connections, but I went to a fairly liberal college and travelled around a good deal, and I think I got a good overview of the situation. The anti-war crowd was concentrated in the blue zone - just like it is now. In fact, it's many of the same suspects now, just a little older and a little grayer, trying to relive their glory days "in the Movement."

271 posted on 04/23/2004 10:23:16 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of Venery (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: Eowyn-of-Rohan
Kerry was speaking for the LYING BRANCH, right?
272 posted on 04/23/2004 10:23:29 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
We agree to disagree.
273 posted on 04/23/2004 10:23:51 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Eowyn-of-Rohan; AnAmericanMother
A SMALL group of LIBERALS? You obviously weren't there, baby!! LOL Good night

Well, I was there; friends of mine died in that war.

And yes it was just a SMALL group of leftists.

274 posted on 04/23/2004 10:25:00 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Chad Fairbanks
I don't know. But, another question is....who care about Nam anymore in this election? Does this have anything to do with the little Moms who are concerned about their children being blown up by terrorists?

Kerry is a dud. He is running a Bob Dole campaign and he is history except on the tv ads after the election. LOL
275 posted on 04/23/2004 10:25:28 PM PDT by Conservababe
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To: Destro
I was quite willing to ignore it, until KERRY put it in the forefront!! Do you not understand that NO ONE in the Bush campaign brought up military service? NO ONE in the Bush campaign, TO THIS DAY, criticizes Kerry's record!

Kerry and his minions brought up Kerry's record, attacked Bush's. said that HE spoke from some supposed exprertise ("I know something about aircraft carriers, Persident Bush..") and puffed up Kerry's own record.

And now, after all of this, you expect Bush supporters to keep quiet? I absolutely refuse. If Kerry could go through two campaign appearances without mentioning Viet Nam, I might keep quiet. But he goes on and on, and the only people who are disagreeing are grassroots Republicans who have had it with the jerk.

276 posted on 04/23/2004 10:26:14 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Howlin; Eowyn-of-Rohan
I think some folks believed it was a larger group of leftists because they moved around so much and made so much noise.

Not to mention that they got exclusive TV coverage.

277 posted on 04/23/2004 10:26:55 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of Venery (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: Conservababe
I hope he's a dud... although it would be kinda funny if he "went off" ala Dean ;0)
278 posted on 04/23/2004 10:27:41 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (I havn't seen my therapist in 5 years. Neither has anyone else ;0))
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To: Eowyn-of-Rohan
It was a small group. You obviously are younger than I, and you don't understand how much the media manipulated the public perception.

Ask yourself this: if the public was so anti-war, how did Nixon win in 1972?

279 posted on 04/23/2004 10:28:46 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Destro
The proper authorities reviewd and awarded the purple hearts. So is a "conservative" now telling me the US military is staffed by fools and liars who got fooled by Kerry? Move along.

Move along?

I was commissioned as an officer in the U.S. Navy Medical Corps in 1976 and served in active and Reserve duty for the next 20 years.

How long did you serve to be so knowledgeable in such matters, Destro?

Were you a Medical Officer? A Corpsman? A Medic? Did you ever serve in the U.S. Armed Forces?

Even a single day?

Tell us about your service, Destro.

We want to know how you became so knowledgeable about how the U.S. military functions.

Did you read about the U.S. military in the same comic book you got your FR screen-name from?

Tell us.

The U.S. military, like any human institution, is populated by men of the highest character but also by some men that are lower than whale droppings at the bottom of the ocean. This is especially true during a war with a draft.

As a Navy Medical Officer, you will see "Sick Bay Commandos" on a regular basis who will try anything to shirk their duty from feigning illness to flat out lying to your face.

During wartime, there are more important matters to attend to than "reviewing" every Purple Heart request that comes up the chain of command. The bottom line is that such requests are not "reviewed" very carefully.

In the case of Kerry's first Purple Heart, his commanding officer is on the record as saying that Kerry's "wound" was equivalent to a fingernail scratch and that he only signed off on Kerry's request in disgust after Kerry kept pestering him. He had more important things to worry about than an annoying drama queen such as Kerry.

After such requests go up the chain of command, no further "review" occurs.

An unscrupulous Naval officer, such as Kerry seems to be, can easily go to a Coast Gaurd cutter for medical care and come back with a medical record filled with medical jargon such as "2 cm hematoma" and "Acetaminophen 325 mg, X2, q. 6h".

WOW!!!! That sounds serious!!!!!

A little more Bravo Sierra-ing by Kerry and, the next thing you know, another Purple Heart request has been sent up the chain of command to be rubber-stamped without "review".

Three such episodes and Kerry has a one way ticket back to CONUS. (That stands for "Continental United States" for people such as you who have never seved a day in the U.S. military, Destro).

Now, the war is over.

There is time to do the "reviewing" that was not done during the "fog of war" when there were more important things to worry about than drama queen Lieutenants (junior grade).

The evaluation of Kerry's character has gone from the "who gives a flying f***" stage in 1969 to the "this guy could be the next Commander-in-Chief" stage in 2004.

Now is the time to do the "reviews" that were never done during the "fog of war".

Since your knowlege of the U.S. military is equivalent to your knowlege about how to perform a percutaneous nephrostomy, your input regarding the U.S. military is as close to wothless as it can get.

So, move along, Destro.

280 posted on 04/23/2004 10:30:55 PM PDT by Polybius
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