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To: cyborg; zimdog
Nobody can argue that Islam badly needs a reformation.

That will occur, in my opinion, when Muslims begin to enjoy the fruits of freedom, security and prosperity. The extremists will become quickly marginalized when they no longer are useful to the despots who oppress and loot their people and nations.

zimdog, thanks for the support in a previous post. It's almost bizarre that opposition to the concept of indiscriminate genocide needs to be articulated ... and subsequently defended.

The "Kill them All" sentiment is either silly "I'm a real hardaa$$" Internet one upsmanship, or more contemptibly, an active campaign to discredit conservatives and blow up support for this vital mission.

I have a sense that the people most eager to "rubblize" Fallujah with MOABs or nukes are folks who don't want us in Iraq at all. They just don't have the basic integrity to reveal their isolationist appeasement ideology.
155 posted on 04/26/2004 5:22:54 PM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: Barlowmaker
BTW - Welcome to FR
158 posted on 04/26/2004 6:12:30 PM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ...( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: Barlowmaker
Welcome to FR. Please forgive the heat - a lot of people understand that we are at war with a shadowy subset of Islam and don't want to take the chance that the ones who are not at war with aren't simply lying about it. After 3000 dead in NY I cut 'em some slack, and I consider them friends even though we disagree on this matter.

But they're wrong here. What is actually happening in Islam is that a small, violent, fanatical, and very militant strain of it has been fantastically enriched by oil wealth and unleashed on an otherwise reasonably pacific community, in an autocratic culture with no real control over the ones with the weapons. It isn't as if "decent" Muslims haven't fought back, they have, most recently in Algeria and Egypt, and they've been slaughtered for their efforts. The militants are now enough of a problem to justify the state-level intervention that the United States has belatedly offered, and I would defend our Iraq policy on that account to any critic in the world.

For those who are convinced that they're all out to get us, I have two offerings - first, that it simply isn't true historically; for four centuries or so it hasn't been Moslem aggression that's killed millions, it's been Marxist, and to a lesser degree pagan and Hindu, and Shinto, and yes, Christian. The difference now is that the bad boys have money, guns, and a zest for using both. The second thing I'd like to point out is that yes, the Koran does call for the forcible conversion of the infidel - unless the infidel is of the "Peoples of the Book" - i.e. Jewish or Christian, which religions share the founding documents claimed by Islam as well. This point means, and it has been pointed out by Muslim critics braver than I, that bin Laden and the Wahhabis and the Ayatollahs who have said specifically that there are no innocent, are in fact heretics and blasphemers. It is truly worth one's life to say it, but it's true.

All of this is caught up in a worldwide purging of the foulness and poisons that have accumulated during the Cold War - the ethnic hatreds suppressed by state force, the bipolar stability now shattered, the hatred for the winners by the losers and for the rich by the poor. If we can keep our heads through all this and not simply kill anyone that threatens we just might pull the world through all this. If not, nighttime, and I'm not joking.

160 posted on 04/26/2004 6:37:25 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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