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UMass grad student: Tillman's not a hero (NOT the same article that has been posted already)
ESPN online ^ | 4/29

Posted on 04/29/2004 10:41:01 AM PDT by TheBigB

AMHERST, Mass. -- A University of Massachusetts student has openly criticized Pat Tillman, calling the former NFL player a Rambo-like idiot in the school paper.

The column in question was submitted by graduate student Rene Gonzalez and published Wednesday in the Daily Collegian. It was titled "Pat Tillman is not a hero: he got what was coming to him."

Gonzalez writes that Tillman was a "Rambo" who probably acted out of "nationalist patriotic fantasies." In his own neighborhood in Puerto Rico, according to Gonzalez, Tillman would not have been considered a hero, but a "pendejo," or idiot.

The column drew harsh criticism from many on campus. University president Jack Wilson says the op-ed piece was "disgusting, arrogant and intellectually immature."

Tillman, who gave up his NFL career to join the Army Rangers in 2002, was killed in combat one week ago in Afghanistan. The military announced on Wednesday that he has been posthumously promoted to the rank of corporal and awarded the Purple Heart and Meritorious Service Medal.

"You know he was a real Rambo, who wanted to be in the 'real' thick of things," Gonzalez writes in his column, which is posted on the collegiate paper's Web site. "I could tell he was that type of macho guy, from his scowling, beefy face on the CNN pictures. Well, he got his wish. Even Rambo got shot in the third movie, but in real life, you die as a result of being shot. They should call Pat Tillman's army life 'Rambo 4: Rambo Attempts to Strike Back at His Former Rambo 3 Taliban Friends, and Gets Killed.'"

Gonzalez also says that Tillman's service was not "necessary."

"It wasn't like he was defending the East coast from an invasion of a foreign power. THAT would have been heroic and laudable," Gonzalez writes. "What he did was make himself useful to a foreign invading army, and he paid for it. It's hard to say I have any sympathy for his death because I don't feel like his 'service' was necessary. He wasn't defending me, nor was he defending the Afghani people. He was acting out his macho, patriotic crap and I guess someone with a bigger gun did him in."

In a letter to its readers Thursday, the Daily Collegian says Gonzalez' opinion in no way reflects that of the newspaper's editorial board. A column by one of the editors praising Tillman's sacrifice ran in the paper next to the one by Gonzalez.

"We do not hold back from printing news stories, columns or editorials that may upset our readership -- instead, we seek to both inform and stir debate through our publication," the letter, also posted on the Web site, reads. "Our decision to publish Gonzalez's column -- an opinion piece written by a member of our campus community -- is the only way for us to live up to this ideal."

Tillman will be eulogized at a public memorial service in his hometown of San Jose, Calif., early next week, and funeral arrangements are pending.

The body of Tillman arrived at Dover Air Force Base in Delaware on Monday. His brother, Spc. Kevin Tillman, also a Ranger with the 2nd Battalion of the 75th Ranger Regiment, was expected to accompany the body to the funeral home, Lawrence said.

Tillman was killed in a firefight on a road near Sperah, about 25 miles southwest of a U.S. base at Khost.

After coming under fire, Tillman's patrol got out of their vehicles and gave chase, moving toward the spot of the ambush. Beevers said the fighting was "sustained" and lasted 15-20 minutes.

The Cardinals said they will retire Tillman's No. 40 and name the plaza surrounding the new stadium under construction in suburban Glendale the "Pat Tillman Freedom Plaza."


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Note: This is obviously NOT the actual article written but the aforementioned Mr. Gonzalez that has bene posted numerous times, but rather an artcile detailing some reaction to said piece. Haven't seen it posted. Apologies if it has been.
1 posted on 04/29/2004 10:41:02 AM PDT by TheBigB
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To: TheBigB
And I obviously need to hit spell check before I post. *sigh*
2 posted on 04/29/2004 10:41:41 AM PDT by TheBigB (For the remainder of this thread, I wish to be known as: "Rex Dart, Eskimo Spy")
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To: TheBigB
I'll bet they called Mr. Gonzalez 'precocious' as a child.
3 posted on 04/29/2004 10:43:25 AM PDT by CaptRon (Pedecaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: TheBigB
Gee I hope some college republicans pay this piece of sh*t a visit.
4 posted on 04/29/2004 10:45:19 AM PDT by TheOldRepublic
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To: TheBigB
Gee I hope some college republicans pay this piece of sh*t a visit.
5 posted on 04/29/2004 10:45:19 AM PDT by TheOldRepublic
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To: TheOldRepublic
I'm betting he's barricaded right now inside his dorm room, wondering aloud why everyone just doesn't agree with him.
6 posted on 04/29/2004 10:47:48 AM PDT by TheBigB (For the remainder of this thread, I wish to be known as: "Rex Dart, Eskimo Spy")
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To: TheBigB
15 seconds alone with this vermin is all it would take.
7 posted on 04/29/2004 10:49:48 AM PDT by ApesForEvolution (FREE 3D On-line Golf Game - Independent Reseller of the Week: http://egolfinternational.com/wig)
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To: TheBigB
Mr. Gonzalez, will your friends put pennies on your eyes?
8 posted on 04/29/2004 10:52:54 AM PDT by ßuddaßudd (7 days 7 ways)
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To: TheBigB
Pay no attention to what Mr. Gonzalez has said or written about Pat Tillmann. Pat is and will always be a real hero. Mr. Gonzalez is just venting his atavistic dislike of all things extraneous to his authoritarian hispanic cultural milieu! He could never measure up to someone like Pat!
As Shakespeare says: "When ignorance is bliss 'tis folly to be wise"!
9 posted on 04/29/2004 10:54:16 AM PDT by Diogenes
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To: TheBigB
Daily Collegian

The Daily Collegian ran a piece explaining why they ran te article to begin with and their defense was "The First Amendment". I have a challenge to those with the ability.

Did David Horowitz try to run is "Reperations" ad in the Daily Collegian? If so, did they run it, or decline to run it?

10 posted on 04/29/2004 10:54:50 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: TheBigB
So much for the employability of a Umass grad. Ha Ignorance like this will unfortunately find their futures in acedemia. He is one who was never taught to think.
11 posted on 04/29/2004 10:55:42 AM PDT by BamaAndy (USMC vet against kerry;1969-1975 .)
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To: TheBigB
In his own neighborhood in Puerto Rico, according to Gonzalez, Tillman would not have been considered a hero, but a "pendejo," or idiot.

That's a curious translation ... certainly not the one I learnt, many moons ago. I think there is a pendejo in this matter, but his name isn't Tillman.

12 posted on 04/29/2004 10:55:46 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: TheBigB
The Daily Collegian's email account cannot accept any more messages: "account over quota" error come up. I'll bet. LOL!
13 posted on 04/29/2004 10:58:11 AM PDT by pabianice
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University president Jack Wilson says the op-ed piece was "disgusting, arrogant and intellectually immature."

You know you're riding the far left margin of the road when the president of a liberal university calls you arrogant and intellectually immature. How long before there's a lawsuit contesting any poor grades this numskull gets in the future because the president called him intellectually immature?

14 posted on 04/29/2004 10:58:58 AM PDT by highlander_UW ("Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Benjamin Franklin)
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To: BamaAndy
So much for the employability of a Umass grad.

Please. He'll have offers waiting for him from the New York Times, the Washington Post, NPR, ABC, CBS, NBC, The Nation, Mother Jones, etc. etc.

15 posted on 04/29/2004 11:00:05 AM PDT by TheBigB (For the remainder of this thread, I wish to be known as: "Rex Dart, Eskimo Spy")
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To: TheOldRepublic
college republicans - at UMass? are there any?
16 posted on 04/29/2004 11:00:52 AM PDT by SF Republican (Life ain't fair and I'm glad)
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To: ApesForEvolution
You can always visit Rene's webpage:

Why doesn't everyone say hello?

Be hard for him to get a job when his mailbox is full.

Click Here for Rene's Webpage

17 posted on 04/29/2004 11:03:59 AM PDT by opticoax
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To: pabianice
This guy Mr. Gonzalez is doing what a lot of cowards are doing these days... taking a little field trip down the road of the right to free speech. Sometimes Mr Gonzalez, you just have to know when to shut up.
18 posted on 04/29/2004 11:05:48 AM PDT by BillyCrockett
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To: CaptRon
Where Mr. Gonzalez comes from, anyone who can read after age 30 is referred to as "precocious" - not by the natives, who do not know what that means, but by social workers from the mainland.
19 posted on 04/29/2004 11:06:38 AM PDT by vandykelastone (I'm so glad Goober Pyle is the Governor of New Mexico, aren't you?)
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To: SF Republican
Yes, there are college Republican's at UMASS, there aren't many of us. We not only have to put up with notorious people like Rene on campus, but many more exactly like him that try to slash our funding by 50% because they consider us a "Racist Organization."
20 posted on 04/29/2004 11:11:34 AM PDT by frank290
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