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SHOCKING PICTURES SHOW HOW SOLDIERS TREATED IRAQI PRISONERS IN SADDAM'S JAIL
Drudge Report ^ | Apr 30, 2004 | UK DAILY MAIL

Posted on 04/30/2004 7:17:36 AM PDT by ZULU

TORTURED, ABUSED AND HUMILIATED - SHOCKING PICTURES SHOW HOW SOLDIERS TREATED IRAQI PRISONERS IN SADDAM'S JAIL Fri Apr 30, 2004 UK DAILY MAIL

FOR decades, Saddam Hussein's infamous Abu Ghraib dungeon was the scene of unspeakable cruelty against Iraqi prisoners.

Now the Americans are in charge - but the torture has continued.

Photographs have emerged showing Iraqis being sexually abused and bullied by their U.S. captors.

One, shown on Page One, depicts a hooded prisoner standing on a box with wires attached to his hands. He was wrongly given to believe that if he fell off the box he would be electrocuted.

The sickening pictures, shown across the U. S. on the CBS network, have outraged Americans and are expected to redouble the fury of Iraqis already pursuing a relentless campaign of death and destruction against the occupying forces, ten more of whom died yesterday. In the words of one leading Marine: 'We'll be paid back for this.'

Screened on the authoritative 60 Minutes news programme, the photograpsh showed male and female soldiers laughing, pointing and giving the thumbs-up sign as they humiliated the PoWs.

The sickening snaps, including shots where jeering soldiers pose next to their helpless and, in many cases, naked prisoners, were taken as trophies - souvenirs to show their friends and family back home.

They came to light only when one of the men involved gave a photo to a soldier from another unit, who was so shocked he took it to his commanders.

Television chiefs said they obtained 12 pictures, but said the army had confiscated 'many, many more'. One shows naked Iraqi prisoners stacked in a human pyramid, with a slur written in English on the skin of one.

Others handed to military investigators show naked Iraqis forced to simulate sex acts, a detainee with wires attached to his genitals and a prisoner attacked by a dog.

The photographs were all taken late last year at Abu Ghraib, where U.S. troops were guarding hundreds of prisoners captured during the Iraqi invasion.

They led to criminal charges against six military policemen who are being court martialled for allegedly abusing about 20 Iraqis.

In addition the military has recommended disciplinary action against seven U.S. officers who helped run the prison, including Brigadier General Janis Karpinski, the commander of the 800 Military Police Brigade, who has been suspended from duty.

Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt said last night in Baghdad that the investigation began in January when an American soldier reported the abuse and turned over evidence that included photographs.

'That soldier said, "There are some things going on here that I can't live with".'

Kimmitt said he was 'appalled' at the photographs. 'These are our fellow soldiers, these are the people we work with every day, they represent us, they wear the same uniform as us, and they let their fellow soldiers down.

'If we can't hold ourselves up as an example of how to treat people with dignity and respect, we can't ask that other nations do that to our soldiers,' he told CBS.

One of those facing court martial is Army Reserve Staff Sgt. Chip Frederick. He is charged with maltreatment, assault and indecent acts, striking detainees and ordering detainees to strike each other.

Interviewed by telephone on the 60 Minutes programme, he said he would plead not guilty and added: 'We had no support, no training whatsoever, and I kept asking my chain of command for certain things, rules and regulations, and it just wasn't happening.'

60 Minutes also quoted, however, from an e-mail which Frederick reportedly sent to his family, in which he said of Iraqi prisoners: 'We've had a very high rate with our styles of getting them to break; they usually end up breaking within hours.' Kimmitt insisted only a small minority of soldiers were responsible for the abuse.

'Frankly, I think all of us are disappointed by the actions of the few,' he said. 'Every day we love our soldiers but frankly, some days we're not always proud of our soldiers. It's a small, small minority of people we're talking about here, less than a dozen out of the 150,000 who are serving honourably and proudly over here.

'We live by our values. Some of our soldiers every day die by our values and these acts that you see in these pictures may reflect the actions of individuals but by God it doesn't reflect my army.'

The Baghdad prison scandal is disturbingly reminiscent of how the Americans' cruel treatment of prisoners was revealed at Camp X-Ray in Cuba following the Afghanistan conflict by photos showing the hooded captives chained like animals in open-air cages. They were also paraded in orange jump-suits. With the reasons for invading Iraq under increasing scrutiny, this will cause further damage to America's attempts to persuade the rest of the world it was in the right.

Former Marine Lieutenant Colonel Bill Cowan said: "We went into Iraq to stop things like this from happening and here they are happening under our tutelage.

'We will be paid back for this. These people at some point will be let out. Their families, their friends are going to know.

'If we don't tell this story, these kinds of things will continue, and we'll end up getting paid back 100 or 1,000 times over.'

CBS executives received an appeal from the chairman of the military Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Richard Myers, two weeks ago to hold the story because of the dangers of a backlash against soldiers in Iraq from outraged insurgents.

But it was agreed for the photos to be shown this week because other news outlets had obtained similar pictures.

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This is a disgrace.

The scum responsible for these horrific actions should be tried, and shot if guilty for gross violations of the Geneva Conventions.

They are an insult to the thousands and thousands of decent American fighting men and women who have served their country in this conflict and in conflicts in the past. They are a disgrace to the uniform they wear and the flag under which they serve and the nation the represent.

Scum.

1 posted on 04/30/2004 7:17:37 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: ZULU
UK DAILY MAIL

This rag would NEVER distort the truth, now would they?

Why are you so quick to jump all over the men & women who protect your right to jump to a preconceived conclusion?

2 posted on 04/30/2004 7:21:01 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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To: ZULU
Agree.
3 posted on 04/30/2004 7:21:59 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: Puppage
I saw the pictures. Every word in this report is true.
4 posted on 04/30/2004 7:24:57 AM PDT by Howlin (I'm a "Moderate GOPer Socialist freak".. just ask ApesForEvolution)
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I saw the pictures. Every word in this report is true

Oh, okay. So, I guess the pictures I saw of Elvis & his alien love child are true, too?

5 posted on 04/30/2004 7:28:07 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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I don't believe a word of it.

Not one single solitary word.

And neither should you.

6 posted on 04/30/2004 7:30:27 AM PDT by Old Sarge
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To: Howlin
This has been dominating the broadcast today on Sky News.

It is a disgrace and the worst possible timing. I am glad the whistleblower stepped forward, but relasing these picures to the press is wrong, and with the importance of the media battle going on close to treason.

Perhaps, I am to extreme here, but these pictures did not have to end up all over the arab press.
7 posted on 04/30/2004 7:30:52 AM PDT by Eurotwit
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"One of those facing court martial is Army Reserve Staff Sgt. Chip Frederick. He is charged with maltreatment, assault and indecent acts, striking detainees and ordering detainees to strike each other."

"Interviewed by telephone on the 60 Minutes programme, he said he would plead not guilty and added: 'We had no support, no training whatsoever, and I kept asking my chain of command for certain things, rules and regulations, and it just wasn't happening.'"


What a stupid response, blaming the "command", for no rules and regulations..... wonder what public school this guy attended??????




8 posted on 04/30/2004 7:30:56 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: ZULU
Have you ever served in a war zone? It's easy to be judgmental when you haven't been in that situation. This is not to condone their actions, but when people are trying to kill you, you lose your sanctity of life convictions in a hurry.
9 posted on 04/30/2004 7:31:59 AM PDT by rj45mis
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To: Old Sarge
It is no good putting your head into a whole like many people chose to do over the Fallujah incident.
10 posted on 04/30/2004 7:32:15 AM PDT by Eurotwit
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To: Howlin
Even the suggestion that this kind of thing was happening at camp X-Ray?
11 posted on 04/30/2004 7:32:47 AM PDT by nhbob1
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To: Howlin

12 posted on 04/30/2004 7:32:56 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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Uhh. if you read the article, this not just a case of some wacko liberal paper conjuring up nonsense.

Further, I am not jumping all over the men and women who protect me. I ma targting a feew abberrant perverts. This story has multiple sources, pictures and witnesses and the C-in-C has been discharged pending an investigation. Check out Drudge.

American soldiers who do this are an aberration and a disgrace to the uniform they wear, to the branch of the service in which they serve, to our flag and to our nation.

Americans kill our enemies, they don't mutilate, torture or humialte them.

We are not Iraqis.
13 posted on 04/30/2004 7:33:19 AM PDT by ZULU
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Former Marine Lieutenant Colonel Bill Cowan said: "We went into Iraq to stop things like this from happening and here they are happening under our tutelage.

This is a huge overreaction to what happened. AFAIK, our people never killed or actually tortured anyone. Saddam's thugs really tortured, maimed, and killed prisoners.

Having said that, by our standards this behavior is disgusting and totally unacceptable. Those perps should prosecuted to the maximum. What's especially disturbing to me is that one of the perps is/was a prison guard here in the states.

14 posted on 04/30/2004 7:34:33 AM PDT by mikegi
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Do you have to have preconceived notions to see the evidence the photos show? Preconceived notions are the reason the commander was relieved of his duties. General Kimmick's comments regarding the situation in his last press conference was just a preconceived notion.

If these are preconceived notions, what would you call your defense of these acts? Defending these types of actions are an insult to the troops that are trying to maintain a semblance of discipline and humanity. Kudos to you for encouraging illicit behavior and the ruination of American reputation as a humane nation.

15 posted on 04/30/2004 7:34:43 AM PDT by meenie
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To: ZULU


She's got the Leather Tuscadero pose, Pinky's younger sister from Happy Days!

Hell, this was the same treatment we got upon graduation from Airborne school, including the box/wire treatment.

Plus, we got 'blood wings'.

Worse still, it was all male! Talk about homo!
16 posted on 04/30/2004 7:35:17 AM PDT by RockChucker
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To: rj45mis
This incident makes it more difficult and more dangerous for every American line unit in Iraq and Afghanistan. The stupidity is breath taking.
17 posted on 04/30/2004 7:35:43 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: ZULU
This story has multiple sources

Ah, yes...UK Daily Mail, CBS 60 Minutes, Drudge.

When Rummy comes on tv & tells me, THEN I'll believe it.

18 posted on 04/30/2004 7:36:05 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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To: rj45mis
I have no problem with killing enemy troops - the more the better and the faster the better, but torturing prisoners is beyind the pale, a violation of the Geneva Convention, and what makes US different from Nazis, Fascists, Communists and Iraqis.

If you don't get it, I can't explain it to you.
19 posted on 04/30/2004 7:36:11 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: ZULU
Over HERE
20 posted on 04/30/2004 7:36:48 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (U.S.A. - - United We Stand - - Divided We Fall - - Support Our Troops - - Vote BUSH)
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