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Did Kerry make up jet-pilot story? Seasoned flyers doubt yarn about taking controls over Israel
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| Wednesday, May 5, 2004
Posted on 05/04/2004 11:07:15 PM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2; Hillary's Lovely Legs; P-Marlowe; expatpat; dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; ...
John I think there is a story here. Look what I found. (see above for full letter) from your article
"I take it off, we go up into the sky, climb up, head down toward Aqaba," the senator said. "And I wanted to look at Aqaba, so I'm coming down over Aqaba, and I suddenly hear this voice on the intercom, and he says, 'Senator, you'd better turn faster, you're going over Egypt.'"
From a pilots recollection in Nam (see above for full post)
During the flight, he told everyone how he had taken a Cessna (a small General aviation plane) up with a fighter pilot, and the fighter pilot remarked that Kerry was one of the best pilots he had ever seen. I don't know about other pilots out there, but it's hard to imagine a little, single-engine prop plane pilot being able to show the 'right stuff'.
To: VRWC_minion
Different fabrications of the same story ? Is there a true original or do the fabrications just get bigger ?
To: VRWC_minion
Is that the Golden Gate story???
If so .. then yes .. I thought the stories were similar also
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posted on
05/05/2004 9:17:33 AM PDT
by
Mo1
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To: Mo1
I'm no familiar with the Golden Gate story. This one if from Nam. What is Golden Gate story ?
To: VRWC_minion
http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/061503.shtml Thorne also knew that Kerry had been fascinated with the legend of a Yale professor who once looped a bridge, pulling a 360 around the span.
It was a summer day in 1967. The sky was clear as the Golden Gate Bridge came into view. Kerry clung to the controls of the rented T-34, similar to those used for military training, and the two young Naval officers headed toward the famous span.
Wham!
The plane jerked and veered. Out on the wing, the feet of an unfortunate seagull stuck out like a scene from a cartoon. Seconds later the scene flipped from Looney Tunes to Alfred Hitchcock, as more birds appeared in front of them. Suck one into an engine and a young pilot's life story could conclude right there: Yale aviator, dreamed of being president, killed on joyride.
Kerry, the son of a World War II test pilot, pulled up the nose of his small plane, ascending beyond the dangerous flock of birds.
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posted on
05/05/2004 9:32:15 AM PDT
by
Mo1
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To: P-Marlowe
This visit is probably traceable as is the identity of the colonel who allegedly let this hot dog take a 15 million dollar plane on a personal joy ride. Let me get this straight, this guy does this:
CONCORD, Mass. --Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry took a spill from his bicycle while riding
Dem presidential candidate John Kerry called his secret service agent a "son of a bitch" after the agent inadvertently moved into his path during a ski mishap in Idaho, sending Kerry falling into the snow.
And he is givent he controls of a 15 million dollar fighter jet just sconds after take off? I doubt it.
Also, how come we have not seen pictures of both falls plastered all over the media? Oh, never mind, he is a liberal. They don't fall down, they are always on their knees.
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posted on
05/05/2004 9:32:39 AM PDT
by
New Perspective
(Proud father of a 5 month old son with Down Syndrome)
To: VRWC_minion
Got it
From the Boston Globe series: John Forbes Kerry swerved his two-seat plane across San Francisco Bay, heading straight toward the Golden Gate. "Let's fly under the bridge!: Kerry shouted to his sole passenger and close friend, David Thorne. Thorne tried not to panic as the tiny craft buzzed low across the swells.
Most students who had graduated from Yale with Kerry the previous year knew him as the ultimate Brahmin, the studious and serious class orator who longed to run for president someday. But Thorne and other members of the university's elite Skull and Bones society knew another side of Kerry: He was a young man drawn to danger. During his senior year he "majored in flying," as Kerry put it, learning aerobatics and performing loop-de-loops instead of focusing on his studies.
Thorne also knew that Kerry had been fascinated with the legend of a Yale professor who once looped a bridge, pulling a 360 around the span. It was a summer day in 1967. The sky was clear as the Golden Gate Bridge came into view. Kerry clung to the controls of the rented T-34, similar to those used for military training, and the two young Naval officers headed toward the famous span.
Wham!
The plane jerked and veered. Out on the wing, the feet of an unfortunate seagull stuck out like a scene from a cartoon. Seconds later the scene flipped from Looney Tunes to Alfred Hitchcock, as more birds appeared in front of them. Suck one into an engine and a young pilot's life story could conclude right there: Yale aviator, dreamed of being president, killed on joyride.
Kerry, the son of a World War II test pilot, pulled up the nose of his small plane, ascending beyond the dangerous flock of birds.
"We were worried the wing would come off," Thorne recalled. Instead, Kerry steered the aircraft away from the bridge and toward a nearby airfield, leaving behind whatever stunts were lurking inside his 23-year-old brain.
To: VRWC_minion
I suddenly hear this voice on the intercom, and he says, 'Senator, you'd better turn faster, you're going over Egypt.'" You don't turn "faster," you turn harder or steeper. Its not an "intercom" its a "headset." And why would anyone go out of their way to see Aqaba?
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posted on
05/05/2004 9:36:11 AM PDT
by
P-Marlowe
(Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season)
To: Mo1
Is that the Golden Gate story???Its a story he told a vietnam pilot. It doesn't sound like the GG story, although the plot is the same.
To: VRWC_minion
Isn't it illegal to fly under the Golden Gate? When was that written into law?
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posted on
05/05/2004 9:46:53 AM PDT
by
pghkevin
(Have you hugged your kids today? Have you thanked someone in the Military today?)
To: pghkevin
I believe a bridge is considered "ground level" and thus a fixed wing pilot must fly at least 500 feet above any bridge. I would think that even flying over the GG bridge is prohibited because of the air traffic over SFO and OAK. I would imagine you are required to go around.
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posted on
05/05/2004 9:58:43 AM PDT
by
P-Marlowe
(Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season)
To: VRWC_minion
Good one -- I'd forgotten about that little boast.
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posted on
05/05/2004 9:58:48 AM PDT
by
expatpat
To: Travis McGee; razorback-bert
Kerry being a POS lying socialist dink aside the centerline thrust of a fighter jet is easier to control that the P torque of a prop during takeoff and albeit I don't think the liar was allowed to take off or land the aircraft incentive flights to VIP's and even enlisted folks are routine .
I myself got back seat rides in D model F16, an F-4 Phantom and early in my career on the jumpseat of a B52 when I re-enlisted.
Not sure what IDF policy is on such matters but USAF gave/gives such rides and my pilots even let me get a few minutes of stick time (at altittude ) before my E-Ticket joy ride expired.
Stay Safe !
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posted on
05/05/2004 10:35:00 AM PDT
by
Squantos
(Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
To: VRWC_minion
During the flight, he told everyone how he had taken a Cessna (a small General aviation plane) up with a fighter pilot, and the fighter pilot remarked that Kerry was one of the best pilots he had ever seen. I don't know about other pilots out there, but it's hard to imagine a little, single-engine prop plane pilot being able to show the 'right stuff'. I heard John Kerry once pulled 14 G's in an outside loop, flying an ultralight in the Grand Canyon with a John Deere lawnmower engine. Never even broke a sweat.
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posted on
05/05/2004 10:41:00 AM PDT
by
Sloth
(We cannot defeat foreign enemies of the Constitution if we yield to the domestic ones.)
To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
I guess since Kerry didn't crash land that makes him the best pilot in the world. Sounds like one of those cases where you'll tell 'em anything to get back down on the ground.
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posted on
05/05/2004 10:54:34 AM PDT
by
ArmstedFragg
(Flacks of the world, unite!)
To: VRWC_minion
JFK Jr was a pilot. And the inventor of the well-known "carrier landing without a carrier" maneuver.
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posted on
05/05/2004 10:56:45 AM PDT
by
ArmstedFragg
(Yeah, Senator, you're the best... now could we please land?)
To: JohnHuang2
I can believe he could of done it, but so what. There are student pilots in the USAF that take off in jets every day and they have never done it before, not a big deal. Now to fly like a real fighter pilot thats another thing. Is he making up stories like algore now? "I invented the jet plane."
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posted on
05/05/2004 11:04:50 AM PDT
by
Veloxherc
(remove)
To: Criminal Number 18F
"Now I Are a Pilot" PING!
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posted on
05/05/2004 11:53:22 AM PDT
by
bootless
(Never Forget - And Never Again)
To: JohnHuang2
Well now, I expect to see him firing up the Flying Squirrel on a regular basis. Tereza, I'm gonna take the family ride out for a little spin. I'm sure you won't mind...
To: TankerKC
I can't speak for jets, but I know a 1946 Taylorcraft can present a bit of a challenge in a cross wind. I always envied people who had high wingloading, high power to weight ratios.
Can anyone here compare a Pitts with a F-16, F-18, or T-38?
As for Kerry, total BS. After that statement, I doubt he has even soloed. What a putz, If I was selling my butt some old wench...I'd at least get an airplane out of the deal. And I sure wouldn't waste my valuable time in the Senate.
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