Did Kerry make up jet-pilot story? Seasoned flyers doubt yarn about taking controls over Israel

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Wednesday, May 5, 2004

[bray]

Did he put in for an Israeli Flying Cross....er Star?????

Pray for W and Our Troops

[Rebelbase]

There are 35 Israeli Aces. I'll google the first 10 names looking for the Col. and report back. Someone else needs to take the next 10 and so on............

[mannymota]

As a pilot for over 33 years, I say unequivocally this is the biggest, most ridiculous lie I have heard in a long time. <> Among the totally outrageous lies - how stupid does he thing we are??? -- Kerry says the Israeli pilot told him, "The minute we take off, it's your airplane." "I started to wrap it in, do a faster turn..." Uh, fighter pilot Kerry, could you explain to us how a fighter responds to large changes in bank angles? "I asked him if I could do a loop, a little aerobatics. He said fine." Sure he did... he even let him fly it home to Massachusetts.

[razorback-bert]

Chaim Lindbergh?

or Abe Yeager.

[Rebelbase]

Googling the first 10 names of the 35 on the list of Israeli Aces shows the following to be at the rank of Colonel or higher in the IDF Air Force:

Brigadier General Yiftah Spector
Brig. Gen. (res.) Amir Nahumi
Brigadier General Israel Baharav
Lt.Col. Oded Marom
These are the names of the first 10 of 35 Israeli Aces that have a rank of Lt. Colonel or higher.

Using that as a starting point can you send this along to somone in Israel who could contact any of these individals and ask them what they know about the Kerry story?

There are 25 names left on the list that have not yet been googled.

Israeli Aces

[razorback-bert]

I think too many dem-o-dumb-rats think they can tell whoppers(such church burnings & how Hillary got her name) as the Clintons do and get away with it .

People are awakening about Clinton, I see and hear it more and more, the very people who poo-pooed my warnings, are now telling me did you know Bill did this and that.

It's only the "Republicians are Evil" crowd that still drinks the electric Kool-Aid.

[Area51]

JFK Jr was a pilot.

50 posted on 05/05/2004 7:24:57 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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Evidenty not a very good one!

[Lee'sGhost]

Kerry invented the Internet while flying upside down over Israel.

[SJackson]

If you'd like to be on or off this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

'Senator, you'd better turn faster, you're going over Egypt.'"

Were this true we'd have heard about it, a minor international incident at the least, more likely charred wreckage in the Sinai and a vacancy in the Senate.

[Hillary's Lovely Legs]

He does have a pilot's license, but I doubt his story in this case.


Airmen Database Search Result


Name : KERRY, JOHN FORBES
Airman's Address : 19 LOUISBURG SQ
BOSTON, MA, 02108-1202
FAA Region : New England
Date of Medical : Dec, 2003
Class of Medical : 2
Expiration : Dec, 2004
Airman Certificates : Commercial Pilot
Airplane Single Engine Land
Airplane Single Engine Sea
Airplane Multiengine Land
Instrument Airplane
Glider Aero Tow (Private Pilot)

[expatpat]

I can believe he got a chance to have the controls during straight and level flight, but he claims he was given the take-off -- and that has to be BS. Noone would give a guy the TO or landing in a plane he hadn't been checked out in.

[Grampa Dave]

al Queery is lying again. He probably got a booboo climbing out of the plane and wants another Purple Heart!

[VRWC_minion]

Check this version out

The John Kerry Experience

author: HAL CRANMER

"I Never Sail on Anything Less Than 135 Feet"

CounterPunch
March 4, 2004


I would like to add my two cents about my John Kerry experience.

During my career as an Air Force pilot, I spent two years flying a small twin-engine prop plane around the Pacific from my base in Okinawa, Japan. On one trip we had to fly Senator Kerry, his congressional aide, and a Navy Captain (Vietnam, A-4 fighter pilot) was also in Kerry's party to various locations in Vietnam and Cambodia as part of the MIA/POW talks.

When I met him, he was wearing a shirt with a picture of his sailboat on it. I told him I had a small 27 feet sailboat in Okinawa, he remarked 'Oh I never sail on anything less than 135 feet'.

When we first flew him into Phnom Penh, he went to the back of the airplane and grabbed the pizza that was put aside for the crew and passed it around to his staff. He was never offered any pizza because they were supposed to have lunch with the Cambodian government once we landed. The pizza would have been our only meal that day.

Then when we picked him up in Cambodia, he was an hour late getting to the airport. We could not start the engines and therefore the air conditioning until he arrived. Phnom Penh at that time was over 100 degrees with 95% humidity and we were basically sitting in a greenhouse behind the cockpit windows.

When he finally did arrive, we were wringing out our clothes from the perspiration. He walks out of the air conditioned car, into the airplane and asks us 'Could you guys get the air conditioning running, I'm a little warm." The other pilot had to physically restrain me from going back there and picking a fight.

Then we took him into Noi Bai airfield in Hanoi. After we picked him up the next day (he stayed the night in Vietnam, we stayed in Bangkok) we taxied out, ran up the engines for takeoff, and noticed that our prop rpm was vibrating all over the place. We taxied off to the side to look at it, but there was a good possibility that there was an engine malfunction and the engine may fail if we took off with it.

Well, Mr. Senator sticks his head up in the cockpit and says 'this plane WILL take off, I have a press conference in Bangkok in three hours!" (Maybe this is an indication of how he will run the FAA). We ran the engines again, and did not have the problem, so we took off and made it back.

During the flight, he told everyone how he had taken a Cessna (a small General aviation plane) up with a fighter pilot, and the fighter pilot remarked that Kerry was one of the best pilots he had ever seen. I don't know about other pilots out there, but it's hard to imagine a little, single-engine prop plane pilot being able to show the 'right stuff'.

After Kerry left the plane, the Navy Captain came up to us, apologized and said basically that he knows Kerry is a jerk and that we should be glad we don't have to deal with him every day....

Or will we?

Hal Cranmer can be reached at:  studioron@verizon.net

[VRWC_minion]

Link to above

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/03/282186.shtml

[Hillary's Lovely Legs]

During the flight, he told everyone how he had taken a Cessna (a small General aviation plane) up with a fighter pilot, and the fighter pilot remarked that Kerry was one of the best pilots he had ever seen. I don't know about other pilots out there, but it's hard to imagine a little, single-engine prop plane pilot being able to show the 'right stuff'.

That one always cracks me up. 'The best pilot he's ever seen' in a freakin C152. I guess since Kerry didn't crash land that makes him the best pilot in the world.

[1Old Pro]

Oh I believe Kerry. And I really enjoyed it when NASA let me borrow shuttle for a few days so I could pick up comw green cheese at the Moon grocery.

[rmlew]

There were a few more Israeli aces from the Lebanon capmaign. The Syrian airforce took on Israel over the Bekaa valley in 1983. I believe the final tally was 85 flamed Syrians to no Israeli fighters shot down.

[Poincare]

we'll probably hear Algore recant the time when he reported on the valiant heroics of what I would call a mishapen old fool from Massachusetts in Stars And Stripes.

I doubt it. Gore was assigned to follow Nancy Sinatra's USO tour for Stars and Stripes.

[N. Theknow]

This whole story doesn't make sense to a former Air Force Thunderbird....no, wait... Navy thing...what are they called...Blue Angels, yeah that's it...it doesn't make sense to us former Blue Angels.

[FrankR]

This guy - kerry - would make Joe Isuzu look like Mother Teresa.

Other than clinton, I have never heard so much B.S. come out of one persons' mouth.

kerry has earned my Lowercase award...and I will never write his name again with a capital letter; my way of showing disdain for his character in general. But then, democRATS seem to be attracted to that type of person/candidate, don't they?

If kerry will tell these kinds of tall tales, just imagine what he will expect us to believe in his first "State of the Union" speech, should he luck out and win the election.

kerry has a serious problem, which needs professional help.