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Shiites form counter-militia to attack al-Sadr's army
Knight Ridder Newspapers ^ | May. 04, 2004 | SORAYA SARHADDI NELSON

Posted on 05/05/2004 12:41:26 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182

NAJAF, Iraq - Armed with a 9 mm handgun and grit, Haidar is trying to do what the American military camped nearby hasn't done: Drive the gunmen of Shiite Muslim cleric Muqtada al-Sadr from this holy city.

Since mid-April, Haidar and scores of other young men from Najaf have gathered nightly in the city's sprawling cemetery to attack members of al-Sadr's Mahdi Army militia. Only a few gunmen are targeted each time to prevent big firefights that might injure civilians, said Haidar, who spoke with Knight Ridder on the condition that his last name not be used.

"If we capture them and they swear on the holy Quran they will leave Najaf and never come back, we let them go," the 20-year-old furniture maker said. "If they resist, they are killed."

As of Friday, the group claimed to have killed more than a half-dozen Mahdi gunmen and chased off at least 20.

This is the first homebred movement against al-Sadr, and it illustrates the animosity toward the radical cleric within Iraq's Shiite community, which makes up the majority of Iraq's population. The Shiites were oppressed under Saddam Hussein's rule, and the United States has looked to them for support in its efforts to transform Iraq.

Many Shiites in Najaf say only a small number of Iraqi Shiites support al-Sadr. But the grand ayatollahs who guide the Shiites are withholding support from Haidar and his band of vigilantes, fearing a civil war among their followers.

U.S. authorities have expressed hope that the Shiite community would take care of al-Sadr and have failed to condemn the vigilante attacks, leaving the impression that they endorse them. U.S. forces have sought to arrest the young cleric and disband the Mahdi Army, but they don't want to risk a public backlash that would follow a military incursion into Najaf.

Najaf businessmen, some of whom Haidar and others say are financing the resistance movement, say there's no choice but to fight back. Al-Sadr "is just a child and he's running everything," complained one shop owner, Mohammed Hassan, 45, who sells women's sundries in the main bazaar. "We haven't been able to get our goods from Baghdad since his men took over our city. They stop the trucks at checkpoints and steal everything."

Like the Mahdi Army, which al-Sadr named after the Shiite Muslim messiah to portray his fight against American occupation as God-driven, the counter-militia has adopted a religious name. The group is called "Thul Fiqar al Battar," named after the double-edged sword carried by Grand Imam Ali, recognized by this Muslim sect as the successor to the Prophet Muhammad....."

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alsadr; iraq; najaf; shiites
This is a good development, especially with the major Shiite factions and clerics condemning al-Sadr.

The article goes on to say that these are local people from the area that know the town inside and out. On the thread below there is a new US attack in Najaf. If these people work with the US forces, al-Sadr's forces are in terminal trouble.

(Fighting around Najaf) Iraq troop numbers to stay at 138,000

1 posted on 05/05/2004 12:41:26 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
They have an efficient way of dealing with those who do not go,don't they!
2 posted on 05/05/2004 12:52:37 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: MEG33
Looks workable to me. I hope these guys are pointing out al-Sadr's boys. Good intellegence and American Firepower, bad
news for al-Sadr.
3 posted on 05/05/2004 12:57:55 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182; MEG33
I hope they find a way of working with our troops, because if they don't it is sadly all too easy to mistake these guys for the enemy.

In fact there was a story 2 weeks ago about some Iraqi sniper who was shooting at the terrorists from rooftops. It seems Iraqis, at least some, are getting tired of riffraff messing up their nation.

4 posted on 05/05/2004 1:03:55 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear missiles: The ultimate Phallic symbol.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
The Iraqi people, especially the Shi'ites, have had their first taste of freedom. They liked it, and they aren't going to let some renegade fanatic take it away from them.
5 posted on 05/05/2004 4:15:33 AM PDT by bobjam
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To: spetznaz
It seems Iraqis, at least some, are getting tired of riffraff messing up their nation.

I've been hoping for this sort of thing since the resumption of hostilities last April. The Iraqis need to earn their freedom. Freedom earned tends to be valued much more highly than freedom given.

6 posted on 05/05/2004 4:32:36 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Dog; Cap Huff
More info on the thufilgar army. Seems to be homwgrown.
7 posted on 05/05/2004 5:24:03 AM PDT by Eurotwit
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To: Eurotwit
Homegrown. That is the impression that is given here. Whether this is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth remains to be seen. Whatever, it is a positive step in some ways. I just do not want to see vigilantes encouraged.
8 posted on 05/05/2004 5:32:34 AM PDT by Cap Huff
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To: Cap Huff
Agree on the question of vigalantes.
But this might be a source of the local leaders that have so painfully not been developed otherwise.
Then again, they might also turn on our guys.
9 posted on 05/05/2004 5:36:34 AM PDT by norton
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To: Cap Huff
When no justice is available to you, vigilanteism is acceptable.

It's not like they can call the cops and have them haul the Sadr militiamen in before a judge.

10 posted on 05/05/2004 5:52:03 AM PDT by Skywalk
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To: Skywalk
Yes, I think I understand that. For this reason I wanted to temper my comments here. There are times in a lawless, or nearly lawless society (if that is the right word for it) when action needs to be take to restore or build order. My concern is that any "vigilance committee" or "Thul Fiqar" army is only a temporary measure on the way to ordinary law enforcement. I hope they don't get the idea that this should be business as usual.
11 posted on 05/05/2004 6:11:43 AM PDT by Cap Huff
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To: Cap Huff
Understood and it seems to be a reasonable outfit--they even give the guys the choice of swearing to leave. They aren't just slitting throats. It also seems to be born of frustration with the banditry and the suspension of normal life, not really a formation of an alternative militia--which are all positives.

We'll see how it unfolds cuz we ain't goin' in there.
12 posted on 05/05/2004 6:33:56 AM PDT by Skywalk
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To: Skywalk
Gooooooooooooooo Shiites!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
13 posted on 05/05/2004 6:51:21 AM PDT by DooDahhhh
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To: Anti-Bubba182
From every thing I've been able to find al-Sadr is NOT well thought of by the Shiite;s. "Little boy" is the best I've been able to find.
14 posted on 05/05/2004 8:15:53 AM PDT by Valin (Hating people is like burning down your house to kill a rat)
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