Posted on 05/05/2004 7:55:59 AM PDT by McClave
By Stephen Hand
editor, TCRNews.com
Back in 1999, on the 14th of May, according to the Patriarch of the Chaldeans, at the end of an audience between the Pope and some delegates of the Islamic Shiite and Sunni factions, the Pope bowed as “a sign of respect” toward a copy of the Koran which was presented to him as a gift. When the book was officially “presented to him,” the Pope, perhaps a bit perplexed concerning the appropriate protocol for such an official gesture, kissed it; again, as a “sign of respect toward the 34 million followers of Islam”. The event was reported by the Fides news service. It turned out to be more controversial a sign than the Pope and Vatican ever expected, since both Neomodernist and Integrist reactionaries pounced on it. The former to suggest that all religions were essentially one, and the latter to suggest that the Pope had, well, er, left the Faith.
Both, of course, were utterly wrong, and both---who are temperamentally and psychologically joined at the hip in not a few ways---refused to look long at the Church’s actual teachings, the texts which clearly explain what the Church’s attitude toward other religions is-----and is not.
It is the reaction of the latter which concerns us here.
Every religion, sadly, has its Pharisees, the ones who are more royal than the king, the (only) “true” believers. It is an attitude, a psychological type, which comes in degrees of severity and is tied up with legalism, a preference for the letter as opposed to the spirit of the law. What the Taliban is to Islam, Integrism approximately is to Catholicism.
Pharisees, thinking themselves the only true observers of the law, love to debate, to bait and trap the unwary victim, as they tried to do with our Lord on many an occasion. This attitude finds its logical completion in the Essenes who broke off entirely from the Temple (unlike Jesus, His Mother and St. Joseph) and fled to the desert proclaiming themselves the true temple, the remnant of Israel. They are, it is obvious, seldom aware of the pride which feeds such behavior or the logs in their own eyes.
In Catholicism, if the Neo-modernists are the Saducees, i.e., the rationalists who tend to doubt articles of Faith, then the Integrists are very clearly our modern Pharisees, the ones who fancy themselves the true interpreters of the “fathers” and of the letter of the law.
The Pharisee wants an easy, hyper-logical world, a world of airtight Yes-No compartments, where people are either “in” or “out”. In Our Lord’s day they considered Jesus lax with sinners and heathen, dubious in doctrine, fickle regarding the inviolable law. They viewed him with suspicion and ultimately felt he had to be removed altogether. They preferred a religion where the question of the "spirit," or the heart of the law----the ultimate telos / goal to which the law tends----was not welcome, despite the warnings of the major and minor prophets. For the Pharisee it is easy: The woman sinned against her husband? Stone her. The Pope kissed the Koran? Throw him out, follow the law. Such is the spirit of the Pharisee, then and now.
The Pharisee is more comfortable with executing judgment than mercy which is considered a complicating factor. He prefers a simple world where one always knows what to do. That makes debating easier; and our modern Pharisee loves to debate. He wakes up in the morning and aims straightway for the computer to either engage the debate or aid his fellows in it. His religion often exists in chat rooms or on email lists where he seeks to draw the first blood. Mercy is like an ‘X’ in the equation of justice and makes the Pharisee uncomfortable. Just the same with love and the kind of religion as described in Isaiah 58 or Matt 5-7. Such concepts complicate their neat rule book (though most of these guys have never been trained in Catholic theology and hermeneutics).
The Pope Kissed the Koran
The Pope kissed the Koran. Our new version Pharisee immediately salivates. He is ready to pounce and add such an indictable emblem to his files. And what does it prove? That the Pope is a secret Muslim maybe? That the Pope doesn’t believe in Jesus Christ maybe? That the Pope is a relativist, perhaps? A syncretist for sure? That all religions are one in the Pope’s mind? The Pope also kisses the ground upon landing in various countries on pastoral visits. A secret pantheist?
The Pope, of course, teaches the very opposite everywhere. The facts are well known, if one would take the time to learn. Yet the Pharisee has a penchant for turning ones eyes from anything that will reveal his opinion to be an absurdity. Even authoritative texts matter little if they can be simply brushed under the rug of bigotry.
Yet facts are stubborn. The gesture of the Pope by no means indicates syncretism, relativism, or anything of the sort. Cynical Integrists simply seek to make hay of it, as they do of everything else. It is the way of the Pharisee. That way they sell their papers to the gullible. They would rather not believe that the kiss was merely a gesture, as one would bow before a king, or a President, or even kiss the Pope’s ring. They would rather put the worst and most absurd construction on it, like with everything else. Had they been there they would have sent the Three Wise Men---heathens---packing; the Roman Centurion whom our Lord helped too (pagan). And the good Samaritan would have been viewed very simply as a dismal heretic. I know rigroist Feeneyites who must first baptise (in their minds) the good thief on the Cross before they will concur with our Lord's pronouncement concerning him. Legalism...
I adduce the following texts, from innumerable others, not for debate, but to show those confused by them that the Pope’s teaching is nothing like the accusations and framing of the Integrists.
For the Holy Father, dialogue does not substitute for evangelism/mission, but is a part of that mission of evangelism, divorced from neither love nor truth.
The emphasis is mine throughout below.
NOSTRA AETATE
2. From ancient times down to the present, there is found among various peoples a certain perception of that hidden power which hovers over the course of things and over the events of human history; at times some indeed have come to the recognition of a Supreme Being, or even of a Father. This perception and recognition penetrates their lives with a profound religious sense. Religions, however, that are bound up with an advanced culture have struggled to answer the same questions by means of more refined concepts and a more developed language. Thus in Hinduism, men contemplate the divine mystery and express it through an inexhaustible abundance of myths and through searching philosophical inquiry. They seek freedom from the anguish of our human condition either through ascetical practices or profound meditation or a flight to God with love and trust. Again, Buddhism, in its various forms, realizes the radical insufficiency of this changeable world; it teaches a way by which men, in a devout and confident spirit, may be able either to acquire the state of perfect liberation, or attain, by their own efforts or through higher help, supreme illumination. Likewise, other religions found everywhere try to counter the restlessness of the human heart, each in its own manner, by proposing "ways," comprising teachings, rules of life, and sacred rites. The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these religions. She regards with sincere reverence those ways of conduct and of life, those precepts and teachings which, though differing in many aspects from the ones she holds and sets forth, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men. Indeed, she proclaims, and ever must proclaim Christ "the way, the truth, and the life" (John 14:6), in whom men may find the fullness of religious life, in whom God has reconciled all things to Himself.(4)
55. Inter-religious dialogue is a part of the Church's evangelizing mission. Understood as a method and means of mutual knowledge and enrichment, dialogue is not in opposition to the mission ad gentes; indeed, it has special links with that mission and is one of its expressions . This mission, in fact, is addressed to those who do not know Christ and his Gospel, and who belong for the most part to other religions. In Christ, God calls all peoples to himself and he wishes to share with them the fullness of his revelation and love. He does not fail to make himself present in many ways, not only to individuals but also to entire peoples through their spiritual riches, of which their religions are the main and essential expression, even when they contain "gaps, insufficiencies and errors."(98) All of this has been given ample emphasis by the Council and the subsequent Magisterium, without detracting in any way from the fact that salvation comes from Christ and that dialogue does not dispense from evangelization.(99)
In the light of the economy of salvation, the Church sees no conflict between proclaiming Christ and engaging in interreligious dialogue. Instead, she feels the need to link the two in the context of her mission ad gentes . These two elements must maintain both their intimate connection and their distinctiveness ; therefore they should not be confused, manipulated or regarded as identical, as though they were interchangeable
CDF’s Dominus Iesus: See CDF document here
4. The Church's constant missionary proclamation is endangered today by relativistic theories which seek to justify religious pluralism, not only de facto but also de iure (or in principle). As a consequence, it is held that certain truths have been superseded; for example, the definitive and complete character of the revelation of Jesus Christ, the nature of Christian faith as compared with that of belief in other religions, the inspired nature of the books of Sacred Scripture, the personal unity between the Eternal Word and Jesus of Nazareth, the unity of the economy of the Incarnate Word and the Holy Spirit, the unicity and salvific universality of the mystery of Jesus Christ, the universal salvific mediation of the Church, the inseparability — while recognizing the distinction — of the kingdom of God, the kingdom of Christ, and the Church, and the subsistence of the one Church of Christ in the Catholic Church.
6. Therefore, the theory of the limited, incomplete, or imperfect character of the revelation of Jesus Christ, which would be complementary to that found in other religions, is contrary to the Church's faith. Such a position would claim to be based on the notion that the truth about God cannot be grasped and manifested in its globality and completeness by any historical religion, neither by Christianity nor by Jesus Christ.
7. ...Thus, theological faith (the acceptance of the truth revealed by the One and Triune God) is often identified with belief in other religions, which is religious experience still in search of the absolute truth and still lacking assent to God who reveals himself. This is one of the reasons why the differences between Christianity and the other religions tend to be reduced at times to the point of disappearance.
Most critical to our concern:
8. The hypothesis of the inspired value of the sacred writings of other religions is also put forward. Certainly, it must be recognized that there are some elements in these texts which may be de facto instruments by which countless people throughout the centuries have been and still are able today to nourish and maintain their life-relationship with God. Thus, as noted above, the Second Vatican Council, in considering the customs, precepts, and teachings of the other religions, teaches that “although differing in many ways from her own teaching, these nevertheless often reflect a ray of that truth which enlightens all men”.23
The Church's tradition, however, reserves the designation of inspired texts to the canonical books of the Old and New Testaments, since these are inspired by the Holy Spirit.24 Taking up this tradition, the Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation of the Second Vatican Council states: “For Holy Mother Church, relying on the faith of the apostolic age, accepts as sacred and canonical the books of the Old and New Testaments, whole and entire, with all their parts, on the grounds that, written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit (cf. Jn 20:31; 2 Tim 3:16; 2 Pet 1:19-21; 3:15-16), they have God as their author, and have been handed on as such to the Church herself”.25 These books “firmly, faithfully, and without error, teach that truth which God, for the sake of our salvation, wished to see confided to the Sacred Scriptures”.26
Nevertheless, God, who desires to call all peoples to himself in Christ and to communicate to them the fullness of his revelation and love, “does not fail to make himself present in many ways, not only to individuals, but also to entire peoples through their spiritual riches, of which their religions are the main and essential expression even when they contain ‘gaps, insufficiencies and errors'”.27 Therefore, the sacred books of other religions, which in actual fact direct and nourish the existence of their followers, receive from the mystery of Christ the elements of goodness and grace which they contain.
It is very clear, then, that neither the Pope nor Vatican II promotes doctrinal relativism, much less syncretism. This is why the neo-modernists consider the Pope a veritable inquisition. They can read. Yet the joyless Integrist can be counted on to always put the worst possible construction on any event or text (even if they usually prefer to simply ignore than compare texts). Thus they alleviate some of their anxiety for airtight security, even if it means fleeing from the vulnerability and suffering of the cross in our time. The Integrist is never so gleeful as when in [the diversion of] debate. Those of us who have known them intimately consider this one of their most striking and constant characteristics. To debate them is to feed their pride. Better to sincerely pray for them often. It is tragic beyond words when truth itself is inconsequential to the act of debating.
The Church, then, rejects nothing which is good, true or holy in other religions, but condemns all syncretistic theology as it did with Frs. Anthony de Mello's and Tissa Balasuriya's writings; see also the CDF's warnings to the bishops of India regarding syncretism and erroneous christologies; also its warnings about eastern meditation, etc.
Date: 2004-05-02
Holy See Says That a Church Shouldn't Be Used by Muslims
Addresses Question Posed by Muslims in Spain
VATICAN CITY, MAY 2, 2004 (Zenit.org).- Is it permissible to allow Muslims to worship in a Catholic church?
The answer is no, according to Archbishop Michael Fitzgerald, the president of the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue.
The question, asked by a Spanish Muslim, had sparked a national debate in that country, as followers of Islam in Spain wish to be able to worship in the cathedral of Cordoba, a former mosque.
In statements to AsiaNews, Archbishop Fitzgerald clarified that no official request has been made to the Holy See. It was simply communicated in a personal capacity in March by a Spanish Muslim during a dialogue meeting of the pontifical council, he said.
"A general reflection is needed here," Archbishop Fitzgerald said. "As there are monumental buildings in Cordoba, there are also others around the world which currently have a use different from that of the original -- like the Hagia Sophia in Istanbul, now an Islamic museum, despite pressure put on by some Muslims to use it again as a mosque."
"The Holy Father visited the Umayad Mosque in Damascus, praying in front of the tomb of St. John the Baptist," the archbishop recalled. However, the Pope "did not ask to celebrate Mass in the mosque."
"It is difficult to have Christians and Muslims mixing and sharing a common life," Archbishop Fitzgerald said. "The shared use of a building by various churches is problematic. There are spaces dedicated to this purpose, for example, in airports. But they are not churches or mosques. They are interfaith spaces, capable of being used by Jews, Christians, Muslims and persons of other faiths alike."
He continued: "But this is based on a type of agreement to allow for their shared use. Yet this is not the reality in Cordoba, where the building belongs to a specific community."
"We want to live in peace with persons of other religions," Archbishop Fitzgerald said. "However, we don't want to be pushed, manipulated and go against the very rules of our faith."
"If it is a Catholic chapel with the Blessed Sacrament inside," he said, "it should not be used for prayer services of another religious tradition."
Stephen Hand was never a "Feeneyite". Never held to Fr. Feeney's teachings, even if his daughter went to school at one of their schools for a time. Ask the priest from India they kicked out who is now in India. Please show anything he has written to the contrary to substantiate your charge. And at website he has critiqued Feeneyism strongly from the beginning.
Stephen Hand does not consider Wellborn, Madrid, or Mark Shea anything like "modernists". Wellborn dissents from Humanae Vitae but even that does not qualify by virtue of the way she dissents.
And to mix Tom Woods in with Michael Rose or Rod Dreher is to grievously insult Rose and Dreher. Woods is a schismatic, the other two are far from it.
You have fulfilled the prophesy once again: ad hominem attacks are ever in the quiver of the theologically lame when the going gets rough.
You just happen to be completely wrong on all points, every one of them. As Donald trum would say, "You are fired for confusing yourself with a thinker!"
Stephen Hand was never a "Feeneyite". Never held to Fr. Feeney's teachings, even if his daughter went to school at one of their schools for a time. Ask the priest from India they kicked out who is now in India. Please show anything he has written to the contrary to substantiate your charge. And at website he has critiqued Feeneyism strongly from the beginning.
Stephen Hand does not consider Wellborn, Madrid, or Mark Shea anything like "modernists". Wellborn dissents from Humanae Vitae but even that does not qualify by virtue of the way she dissents.
And to mix Tom Woods in with Michael Rose or Rod Dreher is to grievously insult Rose and Dreher. Woods is a schismatic, the other two are far from it.
You have fulfilled the prophesy once again: ad hominem attacks are ever in the quiver of the theologically lame when the going gets rough.
You just happen to be completely wrong on all points, every one of them. As Donald trump would say, "You are fired for confusing yourself with a thinker!"
So you are implying that you are not Stephen Hand? I recall that one of the reasons he was banned from FR was for using multiple screen names.
You have fulfilled the prophesy once again: ad hominem attacks are ever in the quiver of the theologically lame when the going gets rough.
Is this then the explanation for Stephen Hand writing, and you posting, this lame ad hominem piece?
And to mix Tom Woods in with Michael Rose or Rod Dreher is to grievously insult Rose and Dreher.
Actually, Rose and Woods appear together as speakers at the conferences of Latin Mass magazine. I believe they are friends. Their views are certainly not very far apart.
Woods is a schismatic
I suppose you have some documentation for this reckless charge?
Wow, looks like I hit a nerve. Glad to have you aboard, Mr. Hand. The third person voice is a nice touch as well. ;)
Believe everything that allegedly damns, and none of that which exculpates. Now there's a good SSPX'er for youI They do it to JPII all the time. Wellborn, Dreher, Madrid, Rose and Shea are all orthodox Catholics. You, on te other hand...
Hand has more friends than you may ever have, and his work speaks for itself. His website is visited thousands of times a day. The Pope-haters here do not like him? How very odd.
Ah, yes, yes. As you wish....
Amusing to all of us.
As for hitting a nerve? Is that what you are trying to do? How Christian. I thought it was a serious discussion. Please, you're the one who flunked the exam. Now go to the corner.
Go back and see what so many here were saying about the Pope and Koran when it happened, and even recently. No wonder this section is known for for being a looney bin where facts are not supposed to get in the way. All this he made a "simple mistake" "overeaction" stuff now in retrospect is really quite touching..
You write: Actually, Rose and Woods appear together as speakers at the conferences of Latin Mass magazine. I believe they are friends. Their views are certainly not very far apart.
I prefer to believe they are very far apart. But I may be wrong. Very sad for the Latin Mass Magazine, if true, also.
Society of St. Pius X. Followers of Archbishop Lefebvre, who disobeyed the pope. On July 2, 1988, Pope John Paul II issued an apostolic letter in which he solemnly confirmed the excommunications of Lefebvre and several others, and the existence of the schism.
You and Steve both read this within 15 minutes of it being posted? That's odd. You seem to have some immediate contact with Mr. Hand and an intimate knowledge of his past and opinions, which is why I presumed you were one in the same. Usually people trying to pretend they are someone they are not a more careful and discreet about it.
You just happen to be completely wrong on all points, every one of them.
"all points" you say? So far, you have latched on to a single sentence of my original post as it was unfavorable towards someone you either are or share the same consciousness as. Please try to stay on point, if possible.
As Donald trum would say, "You are fired for confusing yourself with a thinker!"
Is that what "Donald trum" would say? ;)
As for hitting a nerve? Is that what you are trying to do? How Christian. I thought it was a serious discussion. Please, you're the one who flunked the exam. Now go to the corner.
Thank you for your example of how a Christian behaves. Perhaps you could teach a class in it someday, Stephen.
Never held to Fr. Feeney's teachings, even if his daughter went to school at one of their schools for a time.
I didn't know your daughter went to a Feeneyite school. I just thought you taught at one in Still River. Is that not the case?
Amusing to all of us.
"all of us"? How many of you are there? Is "McClave" a collective name for the Stephen Hand fan club?
Go back and see what so many here were saying about the Pope and Koran when it happened
This happened in 1999 and your "McClave" account began on Jan 28, 2004. What was your prior screen name?
And you call yourself Catherine of Sienna? How humble.
Thank you. She is one of my favorite saints. Humility is a virtue definitely lacking in today's world filled with pride, arrogance and sarcasm.
The exchange has been enlightening, but I'd hate to derail this thread too much further from the topic at "hand" - The Pope and the Koran. What do you think of the Pope's actions? Do you agree with the TCR article?
There is no point to stay on, this author writes like a tard. His premises are so flawed and intellectually dishonest that you could spend the entire day correcting him.
It's not an intelligent article, it's an exercise in ax grinding. It's not worth wasting time on.
I tried to search to find out what was said on FreeRepublic at the time, but could not find any articles from 1999. I admit that I may not know how to fully work the search engine tool (the "theologically lame" can also be technologically lame), but perhaps someone else can give it a shot and post the link.
I did find another previous posting of this very article here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/880127/posts and I stand corrected. There was one commentator who stated in response to the article that "It [This papacy] preaches sycretism, pure and simple." (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/880127/posts?page=16#16)
Although, whether this statement represents the view of all "integrists" I would still dispute.
This sentence says it all for me. The uber-Pontiffs, those who stand in judgement of the Pope and consider their own charism in these matters to be superior to his, have an overwheening pride which stands in stark contrast to the humility of JPII. They have made the analysis and dissection of his every move into a lifestyle. It's their reason for living. Being bitter and railing against him makes them happy. Is the Holy Spirit perhaps talking to them in a more intimate way than He speaks to the Holy Father? Do they have an insight on ways to deal with other faiths of which the poor, confused Pope is bereft? Apparently so.
"What do you think of the Pope's actions"? Wrong question.
The correct question is: "How does God view my actions?"
"Tard"? Nice (cruel) talk about the retarded. Nice talk about people who disagree with you, resorting to mere insults.
Proposal: Let all the SSPX'ers and JPII bashers and supporters here reveal their true names (no aka's, no screen names) and states / countries, so we'll know who we're "talking to".
No more screen names in these forums. Just facts! Why all the hiding anyway?
Is FreeRepublic not a discussion forum? What is wrong with the article posted here being discussed?
Don't hide, "Catherine". Tell us. Why a screen name at all? It's not needed. FR invented the need for false names and that's silly... It's like predator chat room stuff. I thought we were supposed to be adults. Hiding behind screennames makes for easy cruelty and unChristlike behavior, and it avoids personal responsibility. Let your yes be yes and your no be no. Those who love the truth seek the Light (Jn 1:1-14)
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