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Bill To Lower Voting Age To 14 Passes Senate Committee
VacavilleNews.com ^ | 2:02 am PT, Friday, May 7, 2004 | Bay City News Service

Posted on 05/08/2004 11:09:08 PM PDT by musical_airman

A bill designed to get youth more involved in the elections process passed the state Senate Committee on Elections and Reappointment on Wednesday.

SB 1606 by Sen. John Vasconcellos, D-San Jose, would lower the state's legal voting age to 14. The catch is that it would take four 14 or 15 year olds to make up a whole vote. The proposed constitutional amendment would give 14- and 15-year-olds 1/4 of a full vote, while 16- and 17-year-olds would get 1/2 a full vote.

Vasconcellos dubbed his bill 'Training Wheels for Citizenship,' and says it is designed to encourage early and regular voter participation among young Californians by affording them a real live stake in the political process.

'It is so sad that so many of our young people today are deserting our voting ranks in ever larger numbers,' Vasconcellos said.

'They are simply not feeling engaged enough to attract them into the regular practice and habit of voting, to participate in their own self-determination. And self-determination is the glory and thrill of our American way of government, and of life itself.'

While the legislation has received support from the National Youth Rights Association, opponents fear that granting only fractions of votes to under-18 voters could constitute a violation of the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment.

In addition, concerns have risen about the logistics involved in conducting and administering an election incorporating fractionalized votes.

The increase of ballots for the three separate age categories, as well as costs associated with development, certification, procurement and installation of vote counting software to accurately apportion the votes cast is a large part of implementing the bill. Further training and added responsibilities for already overburdened poll workers is the other part, opponents say.

Statistics have shown that voter turnout among those in the 18-25 age group is the lowest of any age demographic, signaling a problem that Vasconcellos says will only be magnified in the years to come.

The senator believes that if young citizens are given the responsibility of voting and introduced to it in a graduated, apprentice-like manner, they will be more likely to participate in the political process. His supporters agree.

'What Senator Vasconcellos is doing will empower youth in California and will inspire youth across the country,' said National Youth Rights Association President Alex Kroknay-Palixz.

'It's great that the senator realizes that young people have political opinions and deserve political representation.'

The Committee on Elections and Reappointment approved the bill Wednesday and referred to the Senate Rules Committee.


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Really, you must be joking. This is so amazingly stupid I just thought I had to post it. Laugh it up. Or, be mad. Or, both. Maybe Kalifornia will fall off one day......
1 posted on 05/08/2004 11:09:09 PM PDT by musical_airman
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To: musical_airman
I read about this awhile back. I never dreamed it would pass this far. I'm convinced California is going to collapse under the weight of its own stupidity and serve as a wakeup call for the rest of the country.
2 posted on 05/08/2004 11:12:06 PM PDT by TheLurkerX ("When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro..." Hunter S. Thompson)
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To: musical_airman
What happened to the maxim "one person one vote?" Wouldn't this just fly in the face of the Equal Protection Clause if they start granting quarter and half suffrage, resulting in equal suffrage for all 14-17 year olds and more Demonrat votes as a result?

This is as asinine as the old 3/5ths rule for slaves in prior to the Civil War.
3 posted on 05/08/2004 11:13:58 PM PDT by GAGOPSWEEPTOVICTORY
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To: musical_airman
BTTT to take action Monday. John & Ken will LOVE this!
4 posted on 05/08/2004 11:14:07 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Take THAT Kerry and Hitlery! FREEPERS ROCK!!!!)
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To: musical_airman
Dogs should get 1/8 of a vote, and cats 1/12th.

In addition, birds should get 1/16th of a vote, rabbits 1/20th and snail darters 1/32nd of a vote. Subject to Senate approval, of course.

5 posted on 05/08/2004 11:15:05 PM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: musical_airman
If they haven't learned at 18 that voting is an important responsibility they certainly won't learn it at 14.
6 posted on 05/08/2004 11:15:45 PM PDT by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: musical_airman
From now on, whenever I meet anyone from California, I will laugh at him.

WHAT AN IDIOT STATE!
7 posted on 05/08/2004 11:17:20 PM PDT by rogueleader
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To: TheLurkerX
I'm sure they will collapse under the weight of their own stupidity. But I'm also sure that if this gets any further, that Schwarzenegger will veto it, and that the rest of the country will be laughing at them for even considering it. Except for the libs, of course.
8 posted on 05/08/2004 11:18:37 PM PDT by musical_airman (Hey DUmmies!! We'll Win the war for you- now shut up and color!)
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To: musical_airman
Oh no. Now the Olsen twins will be able to vote.
9 posted on 05/08/2004 11:19:02 PM PDT by LdSentinal
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To: Nonstatist
Dogs should get 1/8 of a vote, and cats 1/12th.

In addition, birds should get 1/16th of a vote, rabbits 1/20th and snail darters 1/32nd of a vote. Subject to Senate approval, of course.

What percent of a vote would dead people get under your scheme? Whoops... Dims already make sure they vote early, often, and Democrat.

10 posted on 05/08/2004 11:19:05 PM PDT by GAGOPSWEEPTOVICTORY
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To: musical_airman
"I would so vote if I could. It would be cool," says Tommy Arbor, wearing a beak cap sideways to shield his eyes from afternoon sun.

"I would be so clueless," says his opponent, who calls himself simply "Shags" and wears a SpongeBob SquarePants T-shirt. "School bonds, budgets, taxes ... what do I know about that stuff?"

Shags isn't the only one who's clueless, so is the California leftistlature.

It'll never happen.

Link

11 posted on 05/08/2004 11:19:09 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: musical_airman
Great, 14.

This is Avril Lavigne's chance to take power.

12 posted on 05/08/2004 11:20:19 PM PDT by MitchellC (No gamma rays for oil.)
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To: rogueleader
It took you this long to start laughing at Kalifornians? I would encourage you to do it, and enjoy it!
13 posted on 05/08/2004 11:22:03 PM PDT by musical_airman (Hey DUmmies!! We'll Win the war for you- now shut up and color!)
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To: MitchellC
This is Avril Lavigne's chance to take power.

Avril's Canadian. Not that a silly thing like citizenship has ever stopped the Dims before.

14 posted on 05/08/2004 11:22:37 PM PDT by GAGOPSWEEPTOVICTORY
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To: South40
At least he is smart enough to KNOW he is too ignorant to vote. He is one up on most leftists already!! : )
15 posted on 05/08/2004 11:22:50 PM PDT by Politicalmom
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To: South40
It's so obvious that it is merely a way of taking advantage of the ignorant, isn't it?
16 posted on 05/08/2004 11:24:20 PM PDT by musical_airman (Hey DUmmies!! We'll Win the war for you- now shut up and color!)
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To: musical_airman
I oppose this.

If minors can't sign contracts without parental permission, choose if they can go to school or not, own a gun, or fight for their country, then they shouldn't be voting.

If he wants to empower youth, make 14 the age of adulthood - and all the rights and responsibilites to go with it.

17 posted on 05/08/2004 11:26:18 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("There's no points for second place")
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To: Dan from Michigan
And what in the Blue hell is this 1/8 of a vote crap? Is that like the 3/5's compromise?
18 posted on 05/08/2004 11:27:27 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("There's no points for second place")
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To: musical_airman
Sure would benefit the party whose constituants have higher birthrates.
19 posted on 05/08/2004 11:27:29 PM PDT by fso301
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To: musical_airman
Raise the driving age to 30 and the voting age to 40. Less death on the highway and less liberalism.
20 posted on 05/08/2004 11:29:23 PM PDT by Salman (Mickey Akbar)
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To: Nonstatist
California cannot even correctly count regular votes. How are they going to keep track of how old everyone is, to figure out how much the vote should count for? This idea is stupid for a whole bunch of reasons.
21 posted on 05/08/2004 11:29:56 PM PDT by Flash Bazbeaux ("I'll have the moo goo gai pan without the pan, and some pans.")
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To: Dan from Michigan
Boy, It is sure nice to hear logic and reason some days.....
22 posted on 05/08/2004 11:30:43 PM PDT by musical_airman (Hey DUmmies!! We'll Win the war for you- now shut up and color!)
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To: musical_airman
Really, you must be joking. This is so amazingly stupid... Maybe not so stupid young people tend to be liberal, it’s only when they get older and wiser do they become conservative, so as democrats shift more and more to the left they need votes to cling to power. So if they can keep delivering "progressive" education and keep the youth "drugged up" they can retain power.

The next step is to declare half or a quarter vote “unconstitutional” and an “affront” to the dignity of the young people and grant them full voting rights.

23 posted on 05/08/2004 11:31:43 PM PDT by Free_at_last_-2001 (is clinton in jail yet?)
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To: musical_airman
SB 1606 by Sen. John Vasconcellos, D-San Jose, would lower the state's legal voting age to 14.

It figures he's a Democrat. He must think the indoctrination process is complete so the voting age must be lowered for Democrats to succeed.

What is the matter with these morons? 14 year olds? Even most 18 year olds don't know enough about the issues to vote. Would you trust your country to anyone who thinks Britney Spears is cool? LOL

24 posted on 05/08/2004 11:31:58 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING (He is faithful!)
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To: Nonstatist
Dogs should get 1/8 of a vote, and cats 1/12th.

I strongly disagree. Dogs are liberal, they like being dependant. Cats take orders from no one. Cats' vote should count more than dogs'.

25 posted on 05/08/2004 11:32:41 PM PDT by Salman (Mickey Akbar)
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To: GAGOPSWEEPTOVICTORY
What percent of a vote would dead people get under your scheme?

Remember, the underlying premise behind giving the vote to people who do not "deserve" to vote (like immature, irresponsible children)is that they can easily be manipulated into voting Democrat.

In the case of dead people, they can 100% be manipulated into voting Democrat, and since they were at one time "adults", they should get 100% as much of the vote as an undead" person would. It's only fair.

26 posted on 05/08/2004 11:32:58 PM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: musical_airman
Vasconcellos dubbed his bill 'Training Wheels for Citizenship'

This article reads like parody.

27 posted on 05/08/2004 11:33:22 PM PDT by Fraulein
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To: musical_airman
35% of California voters are registered Republicans. That probably puts the number well above the population of the entire state of Georgia. So save your condemnations for the leftists who deserve it.


28 posted on 05/08/2004 11:34:47 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: StarFan; Dutchy; alisasny; BobFromNJ; BUNNY2003; Cacique; Clemenza; Coleus; cyborg; DKNY; ...
ping! (California Senate)

Please FReepmail me if you want on or off my infrequent ‘miscellaneous’ ping list.

29 posted on 05/08/2004 11:35:03 PM PDT by nutmeg (Why vote for Bush? Imagine Commander in Chief John F’in al-Qerry)
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To: rogueleader; musical_airman
You can start by "laughing" at the founder of this forum, Ronald Reagan... Need I go on?
30 posted on 05/08/2004 11:35:50 PM PDT by bluefish (Disclaimer for Pukin: I do not believe Freepers should die for arguing with me.)
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To: Fraulein
Vasconcellos dubbed his bill 'Training Wheels for Citizenship'

This article reads like parody.

Someone needs to tell this dope that you are given citizenship at birth if you are born here, born of American parents, etc. No training wheels necessary.

31 posted on 05/08/2004 11:36:01 PM PDT by GAGOPSWEEPTOVICTORY
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To: Salman
Dogs are liberal, they like being dependant. Cats take orders from no one. Cats' vote should count more than dogs'.

Excellent points. Lets have the Senate debate it! After all, isn't that what a serious, deliberative Body is suppose to do? What other issues could possibly have as much import as this one?

32 posted on 05/08/2004 11:36:03 PM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: Salman
and the voting age to 40

You want the country to go dem? Those in their 30's are most Republican.(and those 75+ are the most dem)

33 posted on 05/08/2004 11:36:33 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("There's no points for second place")
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To: Nonstatist
Excellent points. Lets have the Senate debate it! After all, isn't that what a serious, deliberative Body is suppose to do? What other issues could possibly have as much import as this one?

You mean besides raise everyone's taxes and spend more money on useless government programs? Like they say in Texas -- watch out when the Legislature is in session, neither your wife nor your wallet is safe.

34 posted on 05/08/2004 11:38:21 PM PDT by GAGOPSWEEPTOVICTORY
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To: musical_airman
"'They are simply not feeling engaged enough to attract them into the regular practice and habit of voting, to participate in their own self-determination. And self-determination is the glory and thrill of our American way of government, and of life itself.'"

Translation: 'We need larger numbers to scam the vote less noticeably.'

35 posted on 05/08/2004 11:38:48 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Flash Bazbeaux
This idea is stupid for a whole bunch of reasons.

But it's smart for one reason in particular. 14 year olds are more likely to vote Democrat, "The dependent person's Party", than Republican.

In California, a Democrat politician will do almost anything to ensure or strengthen the odds of his reelection. Almost anything.

36 posted on 05/08/2004 11:43:06 PM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: All
When 14-year olds pay taxes, then they can vote.

If we extend this premise to it's logical conclusion, then only paxpayers should have the franchise.

I know! Let's bring back the poll tax and litteracy requirements --- only people with at least half a brain and the wherewithal to pay should be allowed to make decisions on how to run the country.

This would spell the end of liberalism as we know it. One can only dream....
37 posted on 05/08/2004 11:46:27 PM PDT by Wombat101 (Sanitized for YOUR protection....)
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To: LdSentinal
Oh no. Now the Olsen twins will be able to vote.

i believe they voting age now... 18 i think...

38 posted on 05/08/2004 11:47:57 PM PDT by latina4dubya
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To: musical_airman
California, even if this doesn't pass, you are SCREWED! Your legislators obviously couldn't find their collectivist asses if they used both hands with the lights on.

GET OUT NOW!
39 posted on 05/08/2004 11:48:41 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (I used to support Kerry. Then I changed my political philosophy. Now I support Kerry.)
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To: musical_airman; All
There was a movie in my youth where the age for US President was lowered and the younger generation took over. Everyone over a certian age..50..60 years old or so, was sent off to a camp. The new, younger, hip President was out alone one day when confronted by a young teenager, maybe 13 years old. The young teen tells the nearly 30 year old President, "One day, we're taking over and everyone over 30 will be sent to camps." Something for these libs in Ca. to think about! LOL!

I can't recall the name of this movie, surely there's a FReeper that can.
40 posted on 05/08/2004 11:48:47 PM PDT by RGVTx
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I appreciate the concern of a runaway train here but feel this idea of children 14+ getting fractioned vote has potential.

Do we adults pay attention to teenage issues? I do not recall any too many skateparks with signs "no skateboarding allowed" on school grounds and parks.

I had the privilege to travel and see different parts of the country and the world as a teenager, including one semester at LA public in mid 90s.

LA had a dismal approach to organized teenage sports when I was there. It was absent at junior-high level, and at high school it resembled college level competition/selection.

Average class was about 30 kids. Largest was about double that and held in an auditorium.

Another point: Are teenagers represented in current issues? Are the Media giants having their rights violated, and pornography falling into the wrong hands the only sides to the p2p story?

Third point: Adult population reacts plenty to commercial glitter, so why the thoughts that adding kids to the voting public would spoil this gene pool?

Those who don't fail are those who don't do anything.
I feel its worth a vote. If it passes and helps our society, good. No, then we learn our lesson and move on.
41 posted on 05/08/2004 11:50:23 PM PDT by david_the_positive (level 101 (judge) level 201 (learn))
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To: Wombat101
When 14-year olds pay taxes, then they can vote.

Bad arguement, since they do pay taxes.

42 posted on 05/08/2004 11:51:16 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("There's no points for second place")
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To: bluefish
You can start by "laughing" at the founder of this forum, Ronald Reagan... Need I go on?

Excellent point.

If they really want to laugh they should consider what Georgia gave America...Jimmah Carter.

43 posted on 05/08/2004 11:58:27 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: musical_airman
This is more than absurd. An attempt by the left to totally destroy our democratic republic. Voting is on of the most sacred privileges a citizen can exercise. The left is doing all it can to discredit democracy as under the smoke screen of "civil liberities".

44 posted on 05/09/2004 12:03:39 AM PDT by ChiMark
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To: david_the_positive
Welcome aboard.

fractioned vote has potential.
Why a fractioned vote? As far as I'm concerned, it should be all or nothing on that. Also, how will this affect reapproportionment during redistricting? Will 14 year olds be an 1/8 of a person?

Do we adults pay attention to teenage issues?
Probably about as much as the East Lansing city council(democrats) pay attention to the college students there, all of which who can vote. Up there I was still treated as a kid, while I was treated as the adult I am when I moved back to an apartment in my county. When I was in EL, the building inspector could inspect inside the apartments and write tickets to the tenants for things as stupid as an extension cord on the ground.

Adult population reacts plenty to commercial glitter, so why the thoughts that adding kids to the voting public would spoil this gene pool?

I don't think as much as some think(I always remind the board that the most democrat group of anyone is senior citizens)

I don't even have a problem with lowering the age of majority overall, but it can't be just the voting age. The age of majority should cover signing contracts, smoking, drinking, able to move out of parent's house, joining the military, buying a firearm, and be legal adults in the fullest extent.

I wish I could have voted at 17. I was 2 months two young, and would have voted for Dole.(Who won the high school mock election)

45 posted on 05/09/2004 12:04:38 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("There's no points for second place")
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To: Salman
Besides, the dogs should be docked because of all the drool on the ballot...
46 posted on 05/09/2004 12:06:16 AM PDT by Politicalmom
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To: musical_airman
And if it goes all the way, how long before the civil rights suits start?

"Unfair One person, one vote; only half wits deserve half votes!"

"This violates my right to equal protection, because not all voters are given equal votes."

I can just see the Supremes singing about it. If they do, I hope they don't hit a sour note, but invalidate the whole thing

Also, will students be given the same protections against coercion by teachers, that employees receive against coercion by their employers?

Or is it just a way to give the NEA extra votes, come bond election time?
47 posted on 05/09/2004 12:13:42 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
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To: musical_airman
If this goes through how will they be able to track ages and therefore how much of a vote it counts for. Also i'm willing to bet that state paid brainwashers..er teachers will bribe students to vote democrat. i can hear it now "If you vote democrat you get an A if you vote republican you get an F and an appointment with the guidance councellor.

i know 14 year olds don't have a clue on how to vote, because most people I know that are 18-24 don't konw the important issues.
48 posted on 05/09/2004 12:16:36 AM PDT by armyboy (Posting from Sustainer Army Airfield Balad, Iraq. All Gave Some...Some Gave All.)
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To: Nonstatist
In the case of dead people, they can 100% be manipulated into voting Democrat, and since they were at one time "adults", they should get 100% as much of the vote as an undead" person would. It's only fair.

While they're at it, shouldn't a channeller get an extra vote for each person they channel? All of them are adults, since none seem to be less than a century or two old, and some even claim to be 25,000 or so years old.

Since they are also very wise...at least wise enough to never give a straight, cogent, testable answer to anything...maybe give a extra vote for each century each 'personality' claims to be; a medium could verify it...
49 posted on 05/09/2004 12:26:06 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
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To: musical_airman
Only in the land of fruits and nuts.
50 posted on 05/09/2004 12:28:22 AM PDT by Texasforever (The French love John Kerry. He is their new Jerry Lewis)
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