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Family of Beheaded U.S. Man Releases Statement
yahoo news ^ | 5 11 04 | reuters

Posted on 05/11/2004 1:26:19 PM PDT by freepatriot32

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To: richb12
You've got issues... Take them elsewhere.
101 posted on 05/11/2004 2:12:10 PM PDT by aliquis
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To: weegee
Blaming the US media for running real pictures isn't helpful.

Blaming the UK media for running fake pictures is legit.

Blaming Arab media for running fake pictures is legit also.
102 posted on 05/11/2004 2:12:15 PM PDT by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: freepatriot32
Is mcCain, et al happy now. They all had to do their HATE AMERICA thing. The BLOOD of this man is on the hands of the media,congress and the rest of the pervs that hate Bush.
103 posted on 05/11/2004 2:12:22 PM PDT by marty60
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To: onyx
I didn't hear about it.
104 posted on 05/11/2004 2:12:37 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: GaltMeister; Reagan Man
Yes, if the terrorists thought that this beheading would cause Americans to grow weak and run away, they were mistaken.

It is wise for all Mohammedans to watch their six. And not only in Iraq. All of them.

105 posted on 05/11/2004 2:13:24 PM PDT by Sender (<a href="http://www.democrats.org/">Miserable Failure</a>)
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To: FormerLib
Knowing the DemonRats, they'll probably say that al Qaeda entered Iraq because of our invasion.

A caller already said it on Michael Medved's show.

106 posted on 05/11/2004 2:13:25 PM PDT by TankerKC (R.I.P. Spc Trevor A. Win'E American Hero)
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To: Spunky
I have felt certain from the outset that there was something not right about those pictures. I don't know what for sure, but from day one they just haven't looked to me like the Real McCoy. A lot of little things, like all those prisoners and one or two guards, etc. Something just doesn't ring true about the whole thing. Maybe we will know the full story someday.
107 posted on 05/11/2004 2:13:31 PM PDT by jwpjr
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To: boo-boo23
I think nuking should be a last resort when facing imminent anihilation. Not the first knee-jerk reaction to a savage execution.




Proof please?
108 posted on 05/11/2004 2:14:26 PM PDT by onyx (Rummy's job is winning the war, not micro-managing some damn prison.)
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To: Integrityrocks
You must be in a dream world if you thought I suggested that CBS aired these pictures for anything more than ratings and MONEY. I didn't speak to that matter at all.

I did say that the soldiers are to blame for taking the pictures. They are.

The media did what it usually does. They aren't saints (for example they love these pictures but won't show us the Pearl or or Berg videos, nor stills of the WTC attack). So they are fakes.

But somehow blaming CBS for these pictures isn't very helpful.
109 posted on 05/11/2004 2:14:28 PM PDT by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: richb12
Behead no one and I am not an idiot.
110 posted on 05/11/2004 2:14:53 PM PDT by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: HitmanNY
You said: CBS isn't to blame for the pictures, the soldiers are to blame for the pictures.

I have to disagree. CBS is not responsible for the taking of the pictures, but they, and other media, elected to SHOW them. This was an editorial decision, and it has had murderous consequences. The media cannot deny their part in the gruesome death of Nick Berg. Their publication and continued placing of these images "above the fold" directly contributed to the death of this young man. CBS and others knowingly or recklessly caused a death. It cannot be denied.
111 posted on 05/11/2004 2:15:00 PM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: mass55th
I don't see blaming CBS as productive. If they didn't run the pics, someone else would have. Thinking anything else isn't helpful.

The soldiers are to blame for taking these pictures - there is no excuse for that. If they never took pics and video, this wouldn't have happened.
112 posted on 05/11/2004 2:16:29 PM PDT by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: mass55th
Thank you CBS and the rest of the media whores.

I'll second that, and add a bitter "thanks" to the family of that soldier who is involved in the prison thing. Instead of taking his punishment like a man, he let his daddy and uncle go to CBS with the photos. They knew what would happen, but they didn't care so long as they might have a shot at getting "sonny boy" off the hook.

113 posted on 05/11/2004 2:16:56 PM PDT by Wolfstar (I'm sorry the public shrugged when Clinton said truth depended on what the meaning of IS, is.)
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To: sonsofliberty2000
The Bergs last heard from their son April 9, when he said he would come home by way of Jordan.

That's a month ago. The mother later says she had been trying for weeks to get her son's body home.

My guess is that they killed him after he spoke to his parents and that the prison stuff had nothing to do with it.

115 posted on 05/11/2004 2:17:39 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny) (Isaiah 47:4 - Our Redeemer, YHWH of hosts is His name, The Holy One of Israel.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
Michael Savage said something yesterday that got me thinking. He said that Islamic terrorists don't fear death, they glorify it. They strive for martyrdom and their 72 virgins, so using the threat of death as an interrogation tool won't work. Savage said that what the Islamic terrorists do fear is humiliation. Savage said that using humiliation to soften the terrorists prior to interrogation is more threatening to them than using the fear of death.

See my posting at #30. That is why I think they would have fought off those who were trying to humiliate them. In my posting I said I don't see these prisoners handcuffed, so what kept them from fighting to the end to prevent this humiliation unless it was all staged?

116 posted on 05/11/2004 2:18:09 PM PDT by Spunky ("Everyone has a freedom of choice, but not of consequences.")
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To: boo-boo23
and all I said about Rummy was that he f'd up the war planning. That is just a fact.




You are long on opinion and supposition,
but short on fact.
The above is not a fact at all.
This war is not over and it is far from being lost.
Now what is your agenda?
The obvious?
117 posted on 05/11/2004 2:19:46 PM PDT by onyx (Rummy's job is winning the war, not micro-managing some damn prison.)
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To: MamaB
May God comfort you and bring that time when you can look back on her life with something other than grief. It may not seem like it right now, but there will come a time when thinking of her will bring not grief, but appreciation for her life. Please accept my heartfelt sympathy for your loss. I can't even begin to imagine how painful it is for you.
118 posted on 05/11/2004 2:19:53 PM PDT by jwpjr
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To: TankerKC; Spunky; Keith
Knowing the DemonRats, they'll probably say that al Qaeda entered Iraq because of our invasion.

A caller already said it on Michael Medved's show.

I can't say that I'm surprised because I know, as I'm sure do all of you, that there's just no limit to how low these folks can sink.

I hope Medved called him meshugena and hung up on him!

119 posted on 05/11/2004 2:20:41 PM PDT by FormerLib (Feja e shqiptarit eshte terorizm.)
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To: Williams
What, were they embarrassed their son turned out to be patriotic?

I'd be packing a bag, checking flight schedules to see how soon I could get to Iraq, see if I could find the guys who did it, if it were my son.

Since it's obvious our government's not going to do anything more about this than they did about the guys who were dragged through the streets.
120 posted on 05/11/2004 2:22:26 PM PDT by Redbob
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To: boo-boo23
Over 50% of Americans opposed the war without a second UN resolution"..

Can you cite this poll? Your numbers are just wrong. Maybe over 50% of DEMOCRATS...

121 posted on 05/11/2004 2:22:32 PM PDT by TommyDale
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To: NCLaw441
I agree that the publication of the pictures led to an atmosphere that caused the death of Berg.

I have to say, however, that the pictures would not exist if a few morons decided not to take the pics in the first place.

The media acted predictably - what major media outlet would never run that story? It's reasonable to expect that a media outlet would run these photos: they are largely against the war, combative with the administration, and always eager to embarass the military.

The editorial decision is a no-brainer. Blame firmly rests on those who are featured in the pics, and woever took them.
122 posted on 05/11/2004 2:22:44 PM PDT by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: MamaB
Mama, so sorry to hear about your daughter. Prayers for you and your family.
123 posted on 05/11/2004 2:22:51 PM PDT by The Right Stuff
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To: boo-boo23
"Is there no sense of proportionality?"

Apparently not, we humiliate them, they decapitate us. As if they needed a reason to decapitate Americans. They have done this before, and few prisoners of the Islamofanatics survive.
The truth is that wars are not won by proportionate responses. The Israelis have been playing that game with these fanatics for decades. They must be crushed and beaten so badly that they know they are beaten. Then there will be peace, and they will become prosperous and free, like the Japanese, Germans, etc. Your tit for tat approach will lead to nothing but endless war, and will result in the deaths of more Americans than the total war strategy.
124 posted on 05/11/2004 2:23:13 PM PDT by BadAndy (Specializing in unnecessarily harsh comments.)
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To: freepatriot32

Please forgive me for the interruption and for the typeface, but we need all FReepers, their friends, lovers, enemies, relatives, spouses, exes, acquaintances, strangers, debtors, creditors, colleagues, bosses and subordinates to sign The Federalist's petition to save Don Rumsfeld! There are currently 73,344 signatures, but we need at least 250,000, and ideally one million more.

Thank you!

RUMMY Petition

We now return to the regularly scheduled, Religion of Peace thread.


125 posted on 05/11/2004 2:25:16 PM PDT by mrustow
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To: HitmanNY
I've found a copy of the Nick Berg beheading, and I've posted it to my KazaaLite folder for sharing. I first did a search on Kazaa, but didn't find anything, so I decided to get the truth out this way.

The Internet will free us from liberal media noncoverage. America NEEDS to see this!

126 posted on 05/11/2004 2:25:36 PM PDT by hunter112
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To: hunter112
I agree - America needs to see this and more.
127 posted on 05/11/2004 2:26:26 PM PDT by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: hresources; Reagan Man
HEAR HEAR! I don't watch Blixie Chicks videos, why would I watch what Al Zarqawi wants me to see?
128 posted on 05/11/2004 2:26:41 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: sam_paine
Grow up.
129 posted on 05/11/2004 2:29:04 PM PDT by Reagan Man (The choice is clear. Reelect BUSH-CHENEY !)
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To: Williams
Berg was detained by Iraqi police. None of the story makes sense.

The father seems to think that his son was the responsibilty of the US government.

There is much here that is not known but count on the left to spin this against us every step of the way.

130 posted on 05/11/2004 2:29:15 PM PDT by OldFriend (LOSERS quit when they are tired/WINNERS quit when they have won)
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To: HitmanNY
I don't deny that original responsibility lies with the soldiers who did these things. Those things were done many months ago, and actions were begun in January to investigate and punish those responsible. Nick Berg did not die until AFTER the media, including CBS, made the editorial decision to publish them. This was their choice, and but for the media's actions, I do not believe Nick Berg would have been decapitated as he was.....
131 posted on 05/11/2004 2:29:36 PM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: freepatriot32
Common media fabrication to pacify the english-speaking public. "Allah Akbar" does not mean "God is greatest," though at it's closer than the normal lie that it means "God is great." The correct arabic word for "great" would be "kibir." Allah Akbar means Allah is greater.

It takes no imagination to figure out whose "God," Allah is suppose to be greater than.

132 posted on 05/11/2004 2:30:07 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: HitmanNY
The real photos and the media's hype of the photos that were "too shocking to show" opened the door for fakes that were more explicit.

The East didn't watch SeeBS, they read their local press.

133 posted on 05/11/2004 2:31:00 PM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS. CNN ignored torture & murder in Saddam's Iraq to keep their Baghdad Bureau.)
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To: GaltMeister
Oh haven't you heard a word the Dems have said about the link of Al Quaeda and Iraq- it is all George Bush's fault- t=he created more terrorists - now they REALLY hate us!!
134 posted on 05/11/2004 2:31:32 PM PDT by newzhawk
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To: Irene Adler
"Note the family wants to "put this behind them." A very odd statement indeed."

When were the other contractors killed?

135 posted on 05/11/2004 2:32:06 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny) (Isaiah 47:4 - Our Redeemer, YHWH of hosts is His name, The Holy One of Israel.)
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To: freepatriot32
NO SHOCK HERE-- THE FAMILY IS LEFTIST AND IS BEHAVING BADLY. YOU JUST GOT TO SHAKE YOUR HEAD. WOULD IT HAVE BEEN TOO MUCH TO HOPE THAT THIS IDIOT FAMILY BLAMED, AS THEY SHOULD, DAN RATHER FOR THEIR SON'S DEATH?
136 posted on 05/11/2004 2:32:11 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: freepatriot32
The liberal media has "blood on their hands" for their constant harping on the "prisoner abuse" which caused this horrible act.
137 posted on 05/11/2004 2:33:51 PM PDT by coop223
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To: freepatriot32
The liberal media has "blood on their hands" for their constant harping on the "prisoner abuse" which caused this horrible act.
138 posted on 05/11/2004 2:33:55 PM PDT by coop223
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To: NCLaw441
Yea, well, I'm unsure about that. The 4 civillians who were killed in Fallujah were beaten and murdered mercilessly, and that was weeks before any of this.

So maybe the manner that Berg died was impacted by this incident, but the fact that he died (the idea that 'but for the pictures being publicized, Berg would be alive today') is dubuious, can't be proven, and inconsistent with similar murders that happened independent of the humiliation photos scandal.
139 posted on 05/11/2004 2:34:02 PM PDT by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: NCLaw441
Berg might have still been decapitated. No different than the civilians that have been kidnapped or ambushed elsewhere in Iraq.

Even his last name indicates that he could be Jewish. That would be enough to receive a death sentence from Islamofascists.

140 posted on 05/11/2004 2:34:22 PM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS. CNN ignored torture & murder in Saddam's Iraq to keep their Baghdad Bureau.)
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To: MamaB
[[[hugs]]] Mama B. I'm so sorry for your loss.
141 posted on 05/11/2004 2:36:31 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: boo-boo23; Mrs Zip; BOBWADE
A lot of people on here seem to be advocating nuking Iraqis, or saturation bombing, or wholesale killing of Iraqis.
Your point is?

My question is: do you people need to join Tony Soprano's sister in anger management classes?
No

Is there no sense of proportionality?
Sure there is.

Do you all think that just because someone is a "rag-head" that they need to die just so we can sleep at night?
Defining raghead as any terrorist or terrorist supporter, then the answer is yes.

How about identifying who the perpetrators are and punishing them?
I have no problem with that.

And why do you blame the left and the press for publicizing the abuse in Abu Gharab? Are we supposed to sodomize prisoners with glow sticks and murder prisoners in cold blood? Is that necessary? Has anyone ever offered evidence that a dead prisoner gives good intelligence?
Those questions are too stupid to justify answers.

Some morons on here excuse sodomizing little Iraqi boys while they are in detention, because of what happened to the mercenaries in Falluja. But Falluja happened 5 months after the documented abused at Abu Gharab.
See previous answer.

And why are people abusing the victim's father for opposing the war? Is opposing the war not his right as an American? Do you want to live in a country where no one questions the use of force?
I, for one, am not abusing the idiot,oops, father for being an anti American, liberal, ANSWER worshipping person.

I supported the war but I am not happy with the prosecution of the war. Am I a bad person if I complain about Rumsfeld's performance?
I AM CALLING YOU A LIAR. YOU ARE A TYPICAL PEACENIK, LEFTIST USEFUL IDIOT. Part 2, no you are not bad for complaining, just stupid.

. There are too many idiots on this post.
I repeat my response to your post 63.

You had your 15 minutes of fame so head back to DU and yuk it up with your buddies.

142 posted on 05/11/2004 2:37:07 PM PDT by zip (Remember: DimocRat lies told often enough became truth to 42% of americans)
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To: HitmanNY
...the pictures would not exist if a few morons decided not to take the pics in the first place.

Then again the guards could have been deliberately bad. Sure they'd face court martial and punishment. American soldiers have also thrown grenades into US officers' tents. Which is worse? "Torture"/"humiliation" or "murder"?

Certainly there are some fifth columnists in the American military. The punishment for (attempted) murder is far worse than for the jailhouse antics.

143 posted on 05/11/2004 2:38:08 PM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS. CNN ignored torture & murder in Saddam's Iraq to keep their Baghdad Bureau.)
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To: HitmanNY
CBS isn't to blame for the pictures, the soldiers are to blame for the pictures.

CBS is to blame for trying to say this was wide-spread and sanctioned behavior.

I'll blame the terrorists for this horrific act, but I'll not sit by and see the media who stirred up and misrepresented a story given a pass for doing so.

144 posted on 05/11/2004 2:39:37 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Travis McGee
Islam is the Anti-Christ

Mohammed was/is the false prophet

The Abomination of Desolation is the Al-Aqsa mosque sitting in place of the Temple.

It looks like things are falling into place.

145 posted on 05/11/2004 2:43:13 PM PDT by keithtoo (Please remove all Kerry-on luggage from your forehead compartments.)
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To: coop223
I just forced myself to watch the Nick Berg murder tape. OMG! I don't feel very well. I'm glad I didn't have my sound on. That murder took FOREVER. Those stupid towel heads don't even have the consideration to sharpen the friggin knife.

I have to say that was one of the longest minutes of my life. Horrible, evil, sick, saddistic, insane, cruel, evil, evil, evil.

Poor Nick may you rest in peace.

146 posted on 05/11/2004 2:46:39 PM PDT by wndycndy (Beagles For Bush!)
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To: HitmanNY
"The soldiers are to blame for taking these pictures - there is no excuse for that. If they never took pics and video, this wouldn't have happened."

It isn't just the fact that pictures and videos were taken of the illegal actions. The aberrant behavior that led to the taking of the photos is to be blamed. Since there isn't anything as "responsible journalism" anymore, I'm sure another news channel would have run these photos, especially if somebody like Hackworth been the conduit to get them into their hands.

It's ironic that some of these news channels refused to show the scenes of 9/11 on the first anniversary, but yet they would jump at the chance to put dirt like this out. It doesn't surprise me one bit. Afterall, showing films from 9/11 might bolster President Bush's image among the American people. In their eyes, it's more important to diminish his stature and put doubt in the people's minds as it relates to his leadership in the war.

147 posted on 05/11/2004 2:47:02 PM PDT by mass55th
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To: OldFriend
Pa. family angry with American government over son's brutal death

"I knew he was decapitated before," said the father, Michael Berg. "That manner is preferable to a long and torturous death. But I didn't want it to become public."

Suzanne Berg said she was told her son's body would be transported to Kuwait and then to Dover, Del. She said the family had been trying for weeks to learn where their son was but that federal officials had not been helpful.

"I went through this with them for weeks," she said. "I basically ended up doing most of the investigating myself."


148 posted on 05/11/2004 2:50:20 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny) (Isaiah 47:4 - Our Redeemer, YHWH of hosts is His name, The Holy One of Israel.)
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To: Williams
And in a few media reports, the Mother also kinda ridiculed the intentions of her son in Iraq by saying something like "He had this idea that he could rebuild communications..."

I send my prayers to Nick and his entire family, but his Mom's comment shows her disdain and disapproval for what Nick wanted to do in Iraq. Thoughts like that people should keep to themselves; not say them out loud after there has been a death. It shows she did not believe in her son's goals. Maybe she is not thinking her best; I would understand, I guess.

149 posted on 05/11/2004 2:53:06 PM PDT by Donna Lee Nardo
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To: Rome2000
'....they laugh at us over our concern for the prison scandal...'

that's exactly what I thought, as I watched our Senators and Congresspeople question Rumsfeld et al. Our enemies are saying..look at the stupid Americans, we're killing their soldiers and they're focused on humiliating prisoners who, most likely, tried to kill their soldiers. When will we wake up. At election time, Americans need to remember the "do gooders" who try to do good for our enemies at the expense of America. Enough, vote out these people who care only about their own power and wealth. Kennedy, Kerry etc...men of the people, as long as the people don't come to close to their compounds.
150 posted on 05/11/2004 2:53:11 PM PDT by 4integrity (AJ)
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