Posted on 05/15/2004 2:00:11 PM PDT by HAL9000
Big rocks -> little rocks
20 years
Charge embarassing the country.
DK
And for each prisoner who wore a uniform, avoided civilian areas, engaged only our military, and otherwise abided by the rules of war, the Geneva Convention certainly remains in effect.
However, if they didn't wear a uniform while fighting, I have no problem hanging them on the spot.
of course if jihadis did the same thing to captured GIs for intel you'd be going havoc with indignation
Reuters = Al Queda reporting central; IMHO.....
"...for gathering intelligence on members of al Qaeda, which the United States blames for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, the magazine reported on its Web site."
It should have been written like this:
"...for gathering intelligence on members of al Qaeda, which were responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, the magazine reported on its Web site."
Sound to me like the New Yorker has a bunch of Al Qaeda apologetics on staff, and don't realize or don't care they are this obvious about being biased.
Of course we would. Whats wrong with that?
This is an interesting article, but the folks at Abu Ghraib who got up to all of that kinky nonsense on camera were not operatives in a special access program. Whatever else may be going on they were just a bunch of ordinary good ol' American screw-ups.
Good grief.
Are they still trying to get Rumsfeld fired?
It's reached the point where I can't even get mad anymore...just bored. They sound positively idiotic. They don't think the average American will see how they're mixing up issues into a mish-mash and trying to say they're of a piece.
It won't work.
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The abuse was committed by a handful of degenerates having parties. They had access to these prisoners and used them for their sick idea of fun.
That is exactly what that was.
The other issue of "special interrogation" techniques is NOT new. Rumsfeld testified to them himself just the other day. I heard Peter Jennings on the ABC radio news try this trick of mixing up the two stories. The gist is that the "special techniques" would be used on Al Qaeda suspects and only used once authorization was sought and granted. The story continued that such authorization was never requested in Iraq.
This is a ridiculous jumbling together of the issues,trying to insinuate the Rumsfeld really approved of the perverted guards, when he did no such thing. These reports are malicious and intentionally deceitful (what else is new).
the obvious double standard don't seem to bother you.. interesting.
You are wrong. A handful of people engaged in wrong behavior and were already in the process of being dealt with BEFORE the pictures hit the media.
No use defending what is wrong, when you should be on the side of right.
Who said "torture"?
Those who seek to defend wrong always misrepresent, I notice.
Sexual humiliation was not caught on film? Seems like it was to me...Please find where this report says that Rumsfeld approved putting nude Iraqi men on leashes or making them pile up in pyramids, or having smoking women soldiers poiting to their penises.
Until you can, my point about it being a bait and switch still stands, and you are engaging in the same bit of dishonesty as Reuters.
Rummy did not approve any of that crap.
Rummy approved "certain" techniques.
The soldiers engaged in other techniques which were never approved.
This report tries to confuse the two.
Congratulations on being confused as Reuters wanted.
Helloooooo. Our country did NOT approve of the activity you decry. Rumsfeld, the president and every other decent person says it was wrong. It is being dealt with. If another country did that to our people as prisoners as part of a sanctioned treatment, that is a HUGE difference and there is no double standard to which you deceitfully refer.
I hope you can perceive and appreciate that WE do not condone such.
This started the other day, and I am positive I heard the first report to try to mix these issues together to confuse and deceive. As I noted before (and that day when I got home I came right to FR to record what I'd heard on my car radio), I heard Peter Jennings do the ABC radio news and mix up these stories and I was LIVID.
Sickening.
You're exactly right, Cyn. I just heard another radio newsbreak were they are trying to link the abuse by these soldiers to the so-called approval Rumsfeld granted. Rummy talked about the legal interrogation techniques during his inquisition and even mentioned how there were lawyers at every step of the process. We are talking about things as benign as sleep deprivation and the very types of psy-ops that the US used against Koresh and the Branch Davidians...and yet the media still acts as if we are torturing these people. I just don't recall this "outrage" over the mistreament of Americans at Waco.
Well forgive me for caring about Americans. If its a matter of Us or Them, I'll choose us everytime. I'm not going to judge soldiers who were under pressure at that Prison. Those animals that cut off Nick Berg's head were probably at that prison and I don't feel sorry for them. If you want to feel sorry for people, then feel sorry for the murdered victims of 9/11. Those were Americans that died and it's americans getting killed in Iraq.Excuse me for putting their safety first!
Now we have some on FR doing the same thing.
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