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Rumsfeld Approved Iraq Interrogation Plan - Report
Reuters | May 15, 2004

Posted on 05/15/2004 2:00:11 PM PDT by HAL9000

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To: alnick

Big rocks -> little rocks

20 years

Charge embarassing the country.

DK


41 posted on 05/15/2004 3:55:54 PM PDT by Dark Knight
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To: HAL9000
"U.S. officials have admitted the abuse may have violated the Geneva Convention, which governs treatment of prisoners of war."

And for each prisoner who wore a uniform, avoided civilian areas, engaged only our military, and otherwise abided by the rules of war, the Geneva Convention certainly remains in effect.

However, if they didn't wear a uniform while fighting, I have no problem hanging them on the spot.

42 posted on 05/15/2004 3:59:44 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Islam: Nothing BEER couldn't cure.)
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To: festus
Frankly I don't care if he did say to stick glowsticks up their kiesters, stack-em nekkid etc. If they have info we need then get it.

of course if jihadis did the same thing to captured GIs for intel you'd be going havoc with indignation

43 posted on 05/15/2004 4:05:49 PM PDT by gawd
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To: HAL9000

Reuters = Al Queda reporting central; IMHO.....


44 posted on 05/15/2004 4:06:45 PM PDT by b4its2late (Liberals are good examples of why some animals eat their young.)
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To: HAL9000
Very desperate attempt by the liberal press. I also like this little jab they give about the US:

"...for gathering intelligence on members of al Qaeda, which the United States blames for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, the magazine reported on its Web site."

It should have been written like this:

"...for gathering intelligence on members of al Qaeda, which were responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, the magazine reported on its Web site."

Sound to me like the New Yorker has a bunch of Al Qaeda apologetics on staff, and don't realize or don't care they are this obvious about being biased.

45 posted on 05/15/2004 4:09:09 PM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: gawd

Of course we would. Whats wrong with that?


46 posted on 05/15/2004 4:09:55 PM PDT by cold_daknight
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To: HAL9000
Rumsfeld approved Iraq interrogation plan, which is what? Posing with naked terrorists? Terrorists suspected of committing crimes against Americans and others. A lot of them come from other countries in the Middle East to kill and destroy. What's next? An all outcry about Monty Python soft cushions style of interrogation on poor terrorists?

[Biggles carries out this rather pathetic torture]

Ximinez: Confess! Confess! Confess!
Biggles: It doesn't seem to be hurting her, lord.
Ximinez: Have you got all the stuffing up one end?
Biggles: Yes, lord.
Ximinez [angrily hurling away the cushions]: Hm! She is made of harder stuff! Cardinal Fang! Fetch...THE COMFY CHAIR!

Fang [terrified]: The...Comfy Chair?

[Biggles pushes in a comfy chair -- a really plush one]

Ximinez: So you think you are strong because you can survive the soft cushions. Well, we shall see. Biggles!
Put her in the Comfy Chair!

[They roughly push her into the Comfy Chair]

Ximinez [with a cruel leer]: Now -- you will stay in the Comfy Chair until lunch time, with only a cup of coffee at eleven. [aside, to Biggles] Is that really all it is?
Biggles: Yes, lord.
Ximinez: I see. I suppose we make it worse by shouting a lot, do we? Confess, woman. Confess! Confess! Confess! Confess
Biggles: I confess!
Ximinez: Not you!

47 posted on 05/15/2004 4:11:44 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul (The BushAdm has apologized for abuse of suspected terrorists-Has the Arab world apologized for 9/11?)
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To: HAL9000

This is an interesting article, but the folks at Abu Ghraib who got up to all of that kinky nonsense on camera were not operatives in a special access program. Whatever else may be going on they were just a bunch of ordinary good ol' American screw-ups.


48 posted on 05/15/2004 4:14:26 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: HAL9000

Good grief.

Are they still trying to get Rumsfeld fired?

It's reached the point where I can't even get mad anymore...just bored. They sound positively idiotic. They don't think the average American will see how they're mixing up issues into a mish-mash and trying to say they're of a piece.

It won't work.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


49 posted on 05/15/2004 4:16:02 PM PDT by cyncooper
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I don't believe the abuse at Abu Ghraib had anything to do with interrogation techniques.

The abuse was committed by a handful of degenerates having parties. They had access to these prisoners and used them for their sick idea of fun.

That is exactly what that was.

The other issue of "special interrogation" techniques is NOT new. Rumsfeld testified to them himself just the other day. I heard Peter Jennings on the ABC radio news try this trick of mixing up the two stories. The gist is that the "special techniques" would be used on Al Qaeda suspects and only used once authorization was sought and granted. The story continued that such authorization was never requested in Iraq.

This is a ridiculous jumbling together of the issues,trying to insinuate the Rumsfeld really approved of the perverted guards, when he did no such thing. These reports are malicious and intentionally deceitful (what else is new).

50 posted on 05/15/2004 4:23:02 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: cold_daknight
Of course we would. Whats wrong with that?

the obvious double standard don't seem to bother you.. interesting.

51 posted on 05/15/2004 4:23:29 PM PDT by gawd
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To: cold_daknight

You are wrong. A handful of people engaged in wrong behavior and were already in the process of being dealt with BEFORE the pictures hit the media.

No use defending what is wrong, when you should be on the side of right.


52 posted on 05/15/2004 4:27:03 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Militiaman7

Who said "torture"?

Those who seek to defend wrong always misrepresent, I notice.


53 posted on 05/15/2004 4:28:22 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: HAL9000
By the end of his tedious article, even Hersh has to admit:

"The former intelligence official [Hersh's source] made it clear that he was not alleging that Rumsfeld or General Myers knew that atrocities were committed. But, he said, 'it was their permission granted to do the SAP, generically, and there was enough ambiguity, which permitted the abuses.'”

But Hersh does nothing to connect the Special Access Program (SAP) to the orgiastic reservists at the heart of the abuse allegations, except that ultimately both are theoretically under Rumsfeld's command.

Same old story, except Hersh and his "intelligence" sources blow the cover on a covert Pentagon program.
54 posted on 05/15/2004 4:29:30 PM PDT by afortiori
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To: MaxPlus305
Sexual humiliation was not caught on film? Seems like it was to me...
Please find where this report says that Rumsfeld approved putting nude Iraqi men on leashes or making them pile up in pyramids, or having smoking women soldiers poiting to their penises.

Until you can, my point about it being a bait and switch still stands, and you are engaging in the same bit of dishonesty as Reuters.

Rummy did not approve any of that crap.

Rummy approved "certain" techniques.

The soldiers engaged in other techniques which were never approved.

This report tries to confuse the two.

Congratulations on being confused as Reuters wanted.

55 posted on 05/15/2004 4:33:15 PM PDT by Dales
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To: gawd
the obvious double standard don't seem to bother you.. interesting.

Helloooooo. Our country did NOT approve of the activity you decry. Rumsfeld, the president and every other decent person says it was wrong. It is being dealt with. If another country did that to our people as prisoners as part of a sanctioned treatment, that is a HUGE difference and there is no double standard to which you deceitfully refer.

I hope you can perceive and appreciate that WE do not condone such.

56 posted on 05/15/2004 4:33:26 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Dales
This report tries to confuse the two.

This started the other day, and I am positive I heard the first report to try to mix these issues together to confuse and deceive. As I noted before (and that day when I got home I came right to FR to record what I'd heard on my car radio), I heard Peter Jennings do the ABC radio news and mix up these stories and I was LIVID.

Sickening.

57 posted on 05/15/2004 4:36:37 PM PDT by cyncooper
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You're exactly right, Cyn. I just heard another radio newsbreak were they are trying to link the abuse by these soldiers to the so-called approval Rumsfeld granted. Rummy talked about the legal interrogation techniques during his inquisition and even mentioned how there were lawyers at every step of the process. We are talking about things as benign as sleep deprivation and the very types of psy-ops that the US used against Koresh and the Branch Davidians...and yet the media still acts as if we are torturing these people. I just don't recall this "outrage" over the mistreament of Americans at Waco.


58 posted on 05/15/2004 4:38:24 PM PDT by cwb (Liberals: Always fighting for social justice in all the wrong places.)
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To: gawd

Well forgive me for caring about Americans. If its a matter of Us or Them, I'll choose us everytime. I'm not going to judge soldiers who were under pressure at that Prison. Those animals that cut off Nick Berg's head were probably at that prison and I don't feel sorry for them. If you want to feel sorry for people, then feel sorry for the murdered victims of 9/11. Those were Americans that died and it's americans getting killed in Iraq.Excuse me for putting their safety first!


59 posted on 05/15/2004 4:38:46 PM PDT by cold_daknight
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To: cyncooper; MaxPlus305
Yeah.

Now we have some on FR doing the same thing.

60 posted on 05/15/2004 4:38:47 PM PDT by Dales
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