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The Coming Whirlwind
origional | 5/16/2004 | TasmanianRed

Posted on 05/16/2004 12:45:09 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED

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To: TASMANIANRED
OMG!-- Are You trying to tell us that the Entire "IslamoFascist Jihad" is based on, "PENIS ENVY???"

How Droll.

&, Sadly, there MAY BE an element of truth in that Thesis.

So, How does one "Castrate the Rabid Hoards??"--one REMOVES their "Source of Power!"

Mecca, Medina, Qom, & a few other "Nexus' of Power need to CEASE TO EXIST.

NOTHING "Deflates a Man" Faster than the Eradication of the Source of his Erotic Dreams.

Just a Thought

Doc

41 posted on 05/16/2004 3:18:43 PM PDT by Doc On The Bay
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To: TASMANIANRED
The men and women of the US that elect to serve and defend are portrayed as depraved sexually and as baby killers.

If ever a whirldwind were deserved it would be on account of the millions of innocent lives we've snuffed out for the sake of "convenience."

42 posted on 05/16/2004 3:25:09 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: TASMANIANRED
Pacifism is the art of making a virtue of the vice of cowardice. Pacifism has a very bad history of leading to more bloodshed than wars do. When Chamberlain returned to England declaring peace in our day, he condemned the millions of Jews, Catholics, gypsies, gays to slaughter. England and Europe did not avoid war. Instead of armies fighting, Germany brought the war to the civilians of England and many were crushed as the buildings of London crashed down on them.

Thanks for the post.

43 posted on 05/16/2004 3:30:21 PM PDT by Dec31,1999 (Capital punishment saves lives.)
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To: TASMANIANRED

More of them AND more of us are going to die.
Without Islamic reformation, the world is looking at a blood
bath the likes of which WW I pale in comparison.


44 posted on 05/16/2004 3:32:44 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: TASMANIANRED

well, while you are syncretizing one great lump of history into one giant conglomerate rock, I would make this point:
the current view of the litterati is that the struggle with the islamic extremists isn't really directed at the west...it's really about a power struggle within islam between the moderates and the radicals...a fight for the islamic soul. i disagree...i think this is a continuation
of a war that has gone on for 1400 yrs...the west gained the upper hand c1700 and by 1800, the west was so dominant that the islamic threat has been largely forgotten...but THEY'RE BACK.

it's a war of civilizations.

oh, the other day on tv I saw the new robot made by honda. it was amazingly flexible. now, it undoubtedly has many flaws, but who knows? i could well see a future where, having aborted our biological children, our robotic kids slay moslems and negate their "population weapon"

lets face it....mass production made the west!


45 posted on 05/16/2004 3:36:14 PM PDT by CAPTAIN PHOTON
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To: TASMANIANRED
A large number of the Mongol leaders were Nestorian Christians. Too bad the Crusader states didn't ally with them or teach them the importance of horse shoes.
46 posted on 05/16/2004 3:40:46 PM PDT by FreedomSurge
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To: Comus
It has been accomplished step by step and incrementally.

It has worked and the young people growing up accept it, as if it had been the way for a long time. The constitution has been surplanted by regulations, courts, states ( granting drivers licenses to illegals, along with the right to vote); throwing huge numbers of voters interested in the largesse (socialistic government) into what was already balanced on its edge, with the result going mainly to the democrats.

Too bad for our side. What will it take to change the current course????????????????????????

47 posted on 05/16/2004 3:41:11 PM PDT by geologist
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To: A Navy Vet; bang_list
Do you think for a moment that 80,000,000 American gun-owners will allow our women and children to be slaughtered on a regular basis, ala Israel? They will have no where to hide or run. I only hope it doesn't come to this.

Hate to break it to you, sir, but the citizens of this country will be effectively disarmed in less than 5 years. Kerry is going to win and a major gun control initiative will be implemented by 2006. Unfortunately, most law abiding folks will turn their swords into plowshares.

48 posted on 05/16/2004 3:42:11 PM PDT by Dec31,1999 (Capital punishment saves lives.)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

"...I don't see how we're going to clean up our country."

I do, and it isn't pretty.


49 posted on 05/16/2004 3:49:36 PM PDT by Noumenon (There's nothing wrong with the Left that can't be cured with a rope, a knife or a .45)
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To: TASMANIANRED

A new word for the leftist eleites: pacifascists.


50 posted on 05/16/2004 3:50:45 PM PDT by Noumenon (There's nothing wrong with the Left that can't be cured with a rope, a knife or a .45)
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To: TASMANIANRED
You summed the current situation up perfectly.

Now let us focus on the counters and solutions to this problem. The first order of business is to keep the President in office.

This means we have to work HARD to re-elect the President and also give our troops complete and total support

Our first and foremost priority is to let our guys over there know that we support them and their mission to combatting terrorism

Write letters, hold rallies, do whatever we must do, but we cannot leave our people hanging out there wondering are they being supported back home

51 posted on 05/16/2004 4:11:59 PM PDT by Rooivalk
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To: tet68

"More of them AND more of us are going to die.
Without Islamic reformation, the world is looking at a blood
bath the likes of which WW I pale in comparison."

I agree with the blood bath part but there is a significant difference. The last of the truely heroic military stances of Arab men was in WWI with Lawrence of Arabia uniting the tribes of the Arabian peninsula.

In the 6 Day War, the Syrians, Jordanians and Egyptians massed a massive army to move against Israel. Israel defeated them . It wasn't effortless and the carnage was massive but they defeated a substantially larger force through better tactics and high motivation. The price of defeat was potentially the slaughter of about 1/2 of the remaining Jews left on the planet. They had to fight to the death.

Since the 6 Day War, Moslems have not had the stomach for a frontal assault on armies, they run and loose every time.

As in Iraq and Israel they snipe from concealment and they make war on Women and children. The Palestenians consider it a high achievement to gun down pregnant women and children.


They choose the undefended target and strike by steath. They have a very different concept of honor.


52 posted on 05/16/2004 4:23:03 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (What do they call children in Palestine? Unexploded ordinance)
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To: TASMANIANRED

Wow, that is an amazing post. Thank you! I want to reflect on this before I respond on the substance, but I will.

Thank you for posting these very insightful thoughts.


53 posted on 05/16/2004 4:30:19 PM PDT by proud American in Canada ("The only important lesson of Vietnam is this: Democrats lose wars." -- Ann Coulter, Treason)
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To: TASMANIANRED

On the money.

I believe it will happen before my life is over.


54 posted on 05/16/2004 4:50:10 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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To: Doc On The Bay
"OMG!-- Are You trying to tell us that the Entire "IslamoFascist Jihad" is based on, "PENIS ENVY???" How Droll."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't "penis envy" something Freudian psychology accuses women of having?

Islam does have a prominent fear of women, though and I believe the essay's author is correct in pointing that out.

Taking out the "source of their power" is one idea, but that's likely to give the radical Islamist leaders the "proof" they need to further inflame their weak minded followers.

Personally, I prefer Israel's current strategy of targeting those same radical leaders. The weak minded followers are easily lead and are easily cowed by superior fire power that targets the people who give the marching orders and the inspirational speeches. If "follow the leader" means and early and violent death, then perhaps they might choose to follow a different voice and choose a different path.

55 posted on 05/16/2004 4:59:34 PM PDT by GBA
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To: TASMANIANRED; Seadog Bytes
The whirl wind is coming. Unless Islamofascism is stopped and a democracy is implanted in Iraq then the major cities of the United States and Europe will become the new Jerusalems ....

Interesting reading.
It reminded me of the following is from Tony Blankley on John Lewis Gaddis' opinion that President Bush has developed and is ably implementing only the third American grand strategy in our history. (Gaddis is the Robert A. Lovett professor of military and naval history at Yale University. The Boston Globe describes Mr. Gaddis as "the dean of Cold War studies and one of the nation's most eminent diplomatic historians.")

"...That brings the professor to George W.Bush, who he describes as undergoing "one of the most surprising transformations of an underrated national leader since Prince Hal became Henry V." Clearly, Mr. Gaddis has not been a long-time admirer of Mr. Bush. But he is now.

He observes that Mr. Bush "undertook a decisive and courageous reassessment of American grand strategy following the shock of the 9/11 attacks. At his doctrine's center, Bush placed the democratization of the Middle East and the urgent need to prevent terrorists and rogue states from getting nuclear weapons. Bush also boldly rejected the constraints of an outmoded international system that was really nothing more that a snapshot of the configuration of power that existed in 1945."

In assessing Mr. Bush's progress to date, the Boston Globe quotes Mr. Gaddis: "So far the military action in Iraq has produced a modest improvement in American and global economic conditions; an intensified dialogue within the Arab world about political reform; a withdrawal of American forces from Saudi Arabia; and an increasing nervousness on the part of the Syrian and Iranian governments as they contemplated the consequences of being surrounded by American clients or surrogates. The United States has emerged as a more powerful and purposeful actor within the international system than it had been on September 11, 2001."

In another recent article, written before the Iraqi war, Mr. Gaddis wrote: "[Bush's] grand strategy is actually looking toward the culmination of the Wilsonian project of a world safe for Democracy, even in the Middle East. And this long-term dimension of it, it seems to me, goes beyond what we've seen in the thinking of more recent administrations. It is more characteristic of the kind of thinking, say, that the Truman administration was doing at the beginning of the Cold War."

Is Mr. Bush becoming an historic world leader in the same category as FDR, as the eminent Ivy League professor argues? Or is he just a lying nitwit, as the eminent Democratic Party Chairman and Clinton fund-raiser Terry McAuliffe argues? I suspect that as this election year progresses, that may end up being the decisive debate. You can put me on the side of the professor."

I agree.

56 posted on 05/16/2004 5:18:34 PM PDT by ride the whirlwind (And we will defend the peace that makes all progress possible. - George W. Bush)
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To: Brian Allen
,,, pig blood futures? Trade long. I'm feeling lucky.
57 posted on 05/16/2004 5:25:53 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: Noumenon

I hear you. Do we have the stomach for it?


58 posted on 05/16/2004 5:30:03 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Torrance Ca....land of the flying monkeys)
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To: GBA
AW, C'MON---!

The WHOLE PATHOLOGY Goes BACK to an Unshakable Belief in the Precepts of an "Inviolable Messenger of" the "Ultimate Truth Of" the STONE in Mecca.

Considering the UNSPEAKABLE ATROCITIES Committed By "Believers, 'In the Name of Islam," There can be NO further Souls who would be Participants in ANY furthur activities in ANY WAY.

Doc

59 posted on 05/16/2004 5:38:49 PM PDT by Doc On The Bay
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To: King Prout
During the beginning of Ferdinan & Isabela's reign,
the reign in Spain was mainly in the plain (of Madrid).
60 posted on 05/16/2004 5:39:47 PM PDT by rightofrush (right of Rush, and Buchanan too.)
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