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Mark Steyn: "Reproductive Rights"
National Review ^ | May 10, 2004 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 05/17/2004 6:25:10 PM PDT by quidnunc

A decade ago, Elizabeth Taylor was going from one celebrity Aids rally to another urging us to make sure we “use a condom each and every time you make love”. Every time, Liz? Apparently so, until one day mankind is extinct and giant condoms roam the earth, bouncing across the ruins of our civilization like playful prophylactics in animated Scandinavian health-ministry announcements.

The spirit of Liz lurked just below the surface at Washington’s Million Abortionist March or whatever it was called. For people who talked endlessly about “reproductive rights”, they seemed remarkably indifferent, if not downright hostile, to exercising them.

I concede that I’m anti-abortion. If I were pro-abortion, I’d probably sound like Teresa Heinz Kerry, who told Newsweek that the act involves “stopping the process of life” but that “I ask myself if I had a 13-year-old daughter who got drunk one night and got pregnant, what would I do?” If I had to go a bit further, I might even sign on to her husband’s line (“safe, legal, rare”, blah, blah, nuanced boilerplate, zzzzzzz). 

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: denmark; eu; europe; europeanunion; germany; italy; marksteyn; marksteynlist; norway; population; spain; sweden
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1 posted on 05/17/2004 6:25:10 PM PDT by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc

Mark Steyn is pure writing talent.


2 posted on 05/17/2004 6:35:58 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: Pokey78; *Mark Steyn list
Unexerpted:




A decade ago, Elizabeth Taylor was going from one celebrity Aids rally to another urging us to make sure we "use a condom each and every time you make love". Every time, Liz? Apparently so, until one day mankind is extinct and giant condoms roam the earth, bouncing across the ruins of our civilization like playful prophylactics in animated Scandinavian health-ministry announcements.

The spirit of Liz lurked just below the surface at Washington's Million Abortionist March or whatever it was called. For people who talked endlessly about "reproductive rights", they seemed remarkably indifferent, if not downright hostile, to exercising them.

I concede that I'm anti-abortion. If I were pro-abortion, I'd probably sound like Teresa Heinz Kerry, who told Newsweek that the act involves "stopping the process of life" but that "I ask myself if I had a 13-year-old daughter who got drunk one night and got pregnant, what would I do?" If I had to go a bit further, I might even sign on to her husband's line ("safe, legal, rare", blah, blah, nuanced boilerplate, zzzzzzz).

But, if I can just about conceive (if you'll forgive the expression) the leap from my position to Teresa's and from Teresa's to Senator Flippy's , I can't imagine how you'd get from Senator Flippy's to the bulk of the sentiments on display at the big march itself. Whoopi Goldberg brandishing coat hangars. Surly women stomping about with "Keep Your Bush Off My Bush" placards. The decay of a fluffy soft-focus euphemism into just another crude insult: "If Only Barbara Bush Had Choice." The freaky, barely grasped meaning of all those speakers' regrets that their own mothers never enjoyed the freedoms they have: as Maxine Waters put it, "I have to march because my mother could not have an abortion." The casual dismissal of half the human race: "The Opinions Of Those With Nothing At Stake Are Worth Little." "If Men Got Pregnant, They'd Make Abortion A Sacrament."

Actually, it's the sisterhood who've made abortion the sacrament for a brave new religion of the self. Had Teresa Heinz Kerry stood up and read out her Newsweek quotes, she'd have been booed: no-one on the Mall wanted to hear about the agonized parents of distraught adolescents helping them to the soi-disant "difficult personal decision". Abortion isn't difficult or agonizing, but something to be celebrated, the central freedom of a modern woman's identity.

Before the century is out, the left will come to regret the conflation of feminism and abortion.

When a young lady demands that our Bush be kept off her bush, she's referring to political interference in a "woman's right to choose". In fact, it's the abortion absolutists who insist on political intervention. Abortion has to be legislated uniformly, coast to coast - and beyond: half the complaints about Bush's "war on women" revolve around his disinclination to spend taxpayers' dollars promoting abortion overseas. Which begs the question: leaving aside the moral questions, what is the state's interest in abortion?

The answer to that is obvious: The most urgent problem facing the western world right now is the big lack of babies. On the Continent, abortion is part of the settled political consensus and its persistence as an issue over here is seen as further evidence - along with guns, capital punishment and functioning militaries - of American backwardness. The result is collapsed birthrates in Mediterranean countries of around 1.1, 1.2 children per couple - that's to say, about half of what's called "replacement rate". Why be surprised that Spanish voters don't have the stomach for war? To fight for king and country is to fight for the future, for your nation, for its children. But Spain has no children, and thus no future. What's to fight for?

Even if you subscribe to the premise of Roe vs Wade - that abortion is a privacy issue - society as a whole has no interest in elevating a "woman's right to choose" to state policy. The government's interest lies in increasing birthrates, to avoid the death spiral of post-Catholic Italy. If any Democrat understands that, she or he is in no hurry to speak up.

Which leads to the next question: Who will be the first victims of the west's collapsed birthrates? In Europe, the only country still exercising its "reproductive rights" at replacement rate is Muslim Albania. The rest of the continent is dependent on immigration mainly from North Africa and the Middle East. In other words, by exercising a "woman's right to choose" to the present unprecedented degree, western women are delivering their societies into the hands of fellows far more patriarchal than a 1950s sitcom dad. If any of those women at that Washington march still have babies, they might like to ponder demographic realities: a little girl born today will be unlikely, at the age of 40, to be free to prance around demonstrations in Eurabian Paris or Rome chanting "Hands off my bush!"

By then, Gloria Steinem will be 110, and no doubt still looking incredibly hot, but even she will be sadder and wiser. The hyper-rationalism of radical individualism isn't, in the end, rational at all. You'll recall that during the Iraq war, we heard a lot of talk about ancient Mesopotamia - the land of the Sumerians, Akkadians and Hittites - being "the cradle of civilization". That's the point. Without a cradle, it's hard to sustain a civilization.

3 posted on 05/17/2004 6:39:45 PM PDT by NovemberCharlie
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To: NovemberCharlie
By then, Gloria Steinem will be 110, and no doubt still looking incredibly hot, ...

By that I assume he meant, "Smelly and dripping with sweat."

4 posted on 05/17/2004 6:45:42 PM PDT by EternalHope (Boycott everything French forever. Including their vassal nations.)
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To: EternalHope

I tried to get a picture in my mind of Steinem confronting a group of Saudi religeous policemen, and complaining about her right to choose, but all I get is clubs and dust.


5 posted on 05/17/2004 7:01:57 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (No, no Osama, you need to write the rules on the club in ENGLISH.)
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To: quidnunc; 2nd amendment mama; A2J; Agitate; Alouette; Annie03; aposiopetic; attagirl; axel f; ...
ProLife Ping!

If anyone wants on or off my ProLife Ping List, please notify me here or by freepmail

6 posted on 05/17/2004 7:34:50 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Terri Schiavo deserves to have her wishes followed--Grant her a divorce.)
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To: quidnunc
I am a bit surprised there is not more debate, and more policy action, in Europe regarding its death spiral birth rates. One would think there would be more subsidies for kids, and more pounding of the podium about making kids a part of one's plans. Maybe it will not do much good, but it really is a huge policy problem, beyond the ins and outs as it were of abortion. I am not one who subscibes that more is better, but in developed societies, is drastically few better? I don't think so. Among other things, it presents huge fiscal problems, and twists the culture in unhealthy ways.

There needs to be a middle ground, and it needs to be trumpeted. Just one "moderate's" opinion.

7 posted on 05/17/2004 7:39:24 PM PDT by Torie
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To: NovemberCharlie

"In other words, by exercising a "woman's right to choose" to the present unprecedented degree, western women are delivering their societies into the hands of fellows far more patriarchal than a 1950s sitcom dad."

The Law of Unintended Consequences rears its ugly head once again.


8 posted on 05/17/2004 7:53:31 PM PDT by avenir (Will it consume me? Let me see it, then.)
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To: Torie
One would think there would be more subsidies for kids, and more pounding of the podium about making kids a part of one's plans.

Most of Western Europe - certainly Germany, Denmark, and Norway where I have personal experience - already offer monetary incentives for having children. Kindergeld it is called in Germany. And not just a tax break but an outright subsidy from the state. If that hasn't worked I don't know what will.
9 posted on 05/17/2004 7:57:10 PM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: quidnunc

The radical feminists assume that once they have their way things will go on just as they always have gone on ... the only difference being that they'll have their way. How sadly deluded they are.


10 posted on 05/17/2004 8:28:16 PM PDT by Agnes Heep (Solus cum sola non cogitabuntur orare pater noster)
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To: NovemberCharlie; Pokey78; *Mark Steyn list

Thank you for posting the whole piece.

Nice to meet another grownup.

Blessings -- Brian


11 posted on 05/17/2004 9:16:27 PM PDT by Brian Allen (Intact - Male - American - Republican - Pro-Bush - PRO-ISRAEL - Pro-War - Pro-Gun - Pro-Life! Next?)
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To: quidnunc

read later


12 posted on 05/17/2004 10:36:23 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: Rummyfan
Most of Western Europe - certainly Germany, Denmark, and Norway where I have personal experience - already offer monetary incentives for having children. Kindergeld it is called in Germany. And not just a tax break but an outright subsidy from the state. If that hasn't worked I don't know what will.

It all comes down to traditional morality. When people perceive their culture declining, they will either not have children or have fewer. Paying people to have children just exacerbates the problem.

13 posted on 05/17/2004 10:49:35 PM PDT by Moonman62
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In Sweden, because you must have one parent home with a baby for one year (daycare won't accept children younger) AND there is the subsidy from the government for having children, jobs have more say so in whether a family 'are allowed' to have children. I had a friend who signed a contract with her job that she would refrain from having a baby for a certain amount of years. I was shocked, but when the contract was up she had her second and third babies, so at least that's a plus.
Also, my husband a friend of mine, both of whom are 'far-right' Swedes (maybe about as conservative as Gore) dismiss the notion that they are in any danger becuase of the declining birthrate. When I bring it up, they argue with me, or look at me like I am spouting BS. It's a shame, but most of the idiots here refuse to accept reality and still think socialism is the only answer.


14 posted on 05/17/2004 11:30:24 PM PDT by Rutabega (the only good thing about living in Europe was finding out that we captured Saddam two hours early!)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Great Steyn...BTTT


15 posted on 05/18/2004 2:14:16 AM PDT by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: Rutabega
....both of whom are 'far-right' Swedes (maybe about as conservative as Gore)....

LOL! Didn't know there was such a thing. Hejdo!
16 posted on 05/18/2004 5:37:25 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: Rutabega

Leftists' inability to deal with reality is rooted in the fact that someone using logic and analysis cannot remain a Leftist; only those who "feel" and "emote" need apply.

Inability to face reality will not insulate them from the consequences of not facing reality.


17 posted on 05/18/2004 5:57:55 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (hoplophobia is a mental aberration rather than a mere attitude)
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To: Rutabega

I think some of them actually think like this: that decreasing population is a plus for them since increased automation and computerization all reduce demands of manpower, and since people now have much higher productivity, they can afford to have fewer children. I have seen these types of arguments even from reasonably "centre right" people here in New Zealand.

And alternatively I even know some others who think when population decreases, the "market force" i.e. people will sense that the nation is losing poeple and they will correspondingly have more children. And so, their reasons go, the populations will "bottom out" and then rise again!

Talk about bogus junks. Sigh...


18 posted on 05/18/2004 6:47:10 AM PDT by NZerFromHK
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To: NovemberCharlie

Thank you. You need to work harder to beat Jack the Snipper, so we don't have to scroll down the thread!

(c8

Dan


19 posted on 05/18/2004 6:49:59 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Deb

What Steyn here says dovetails with your beloved's controversial (?!) observations. He might enjoy. (Give him my best, if you don't mind.)

Dan


20 posted on 05/18/2004 6:54:30 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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