Posted on 05/18/2004 7:54:28 AM PDT by Samwise
INDIANAPOLIS -- Police said a Pizza Hut delivery man fatally shot a man who tried to rob him Monday night.
It happened in the 3600 block of Long Wharf Drive around 11 p.m.
Police said Ronald Honeycutt, 38, of Carmel, was delivering pizza to an apartment complex when Jerome Brown, 20, of Indianapolis, attempted to rob him.
Honeycutt was able to take the Brown's gun away from him and fired 15 rounds from his own gun, striking Brown several times, according to police.
The victim was taken to a local hospital where he later died, RTV6 reproted.
The radio report said that Pizza Hut has fired the delivery man.
Really? He should get a job with Domino's Pizza.
Turn about is fair play.
Won't the Police see that tantamount to shooting an unarmed man?
~~Turn about is fair play~~
Not in many cities in the US. Victims need to take their bullets like men. If you fight back and injure the perp, one could find themselves in prison for a very long time.
If it really happened like this, then Honeycutt is going to be in a lot of legal trouble. He shot a disarmed man. I'm not saying that he should be in trouble, just that I expect that he will be.
Fired? They should use him as their Poster Person.
The radio just said that the prosecutor is considering charges. But I'm confused about how many guns were involved. They just said the Pizza Hut guy had a gun permit and the serial number was filed off the gun used.
The driver was quoted as saying that he'd rather be fired than dead.
Live by the 15-round clip, die by the 15-round clip.
I very much empathize with the pizza deliveryman, who most likely was only defending himself, and probably had just seen his life flash before him, thinking he was going to die.
HF
Hate crime.
Racially motivated.
Delivery Guy is a veteran with PTSD.
Perp was gay.
It's for the chilrun.
Take your pick - those refridgerator word-mix magnets do wonders! Make up your own talking points quickly and without thinking - just pull at random.
"Honeycutt was able to take the Brown's gun away from him and fired 15 rounds from his own gun, striking Brown several times, according to police. "
this statement will prove key. if Honeycutt can prove he got the gun AFTER he shot Brown, he's off the hook. the sentence is worded in a way to simply make one assume, without actually stating anything.
how many times is "several"? was there a gun battle? was Honeycutt injured? we dnt know.
More on this shooting
Delivery driver shot suspected robberMay 18, 2004
Marion County sheriff's deputies were investigating reports late Monday night that a pizza delivery driver shot someone who tried to rob him.
The man believed to have been the robber was found on the ground in a Far-Eastside housing complex, while the delivery driver turned up at the restaurant where he works a couple of miles away.
The shooting was reported at 11:04 p.m. Monday in the 3600 block of Long Wharf Drive by residents who heard gunfire and said they saw a Pizza Hut delivery vehicle driving away. The wounded man, who lay near several shell casings, had chest wounds and was initially reported in serious condition.
Six minutes after the shooting was reported, deputies found the delivery driver at the Pizza Hut restaurant at 8932 E. 38th St. Inside the delivery vehicle were two guns that may have been used in the shooting.
Deputies were looking into reports that the delivery driver and the robber exchanged shots, or that the two fought over a gun and the robber was then shot.
There is more to this story than is being reported so far IMO.
One dead crook is a good thing, but
"and probably had just seen his life flash before him"
with the time it took to fire 15 rounds it was a pretty long "flash"- just how OLD was this pizza guy anyway ?
Id' rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
Not surprising. Though I think the delivery man came out ahead in the bargain. What's your job worth, when compared to your life?
Pizza guy - 38.
Dead thug - 20.
I know Domino's has a policy that forbids employees from carrying guns while on the job, or having one in the vehicle. No doubt Pizza Hut has a similar policy.
Reminds me of a pizza robbery gone bad in the Pittsburgh Northside area some ten years ago. Two pizza delivery guys were working in pairs because it was such a bad (urban) stinkhole. They were robbed, one shot and killed, the other, bleeding, dragged himself down the street several blocks to the General Mail Facility (big postal processing plant that's open all night.) Security officers found him and helped save his life. This happened late at night, and they were still cleaning up the blood from the street the next morning.
I smell a lawsuit.
A lawsuit was filed by the family of the victim who tried to rob a pizza driver...
I know a guy who was fired from a mid priced chain restaurant for the same thing. Perp came in the backdoor at closing time and demanded the night's cash at gunpoint. My friend told him it was in the drawer, reached in for it and pulled out a pistol and shot the perp in the face. The bullet went in his mouth, took out some teeth and came out his cheek. He dropped the gun and they subdued him.
Cops all praised my friend for defending himself.
The Restaurant fired him the next day.
Well, as facts are still being sorted out, (and I don't know what the laws are there for carrying a weapon), what person is going to go through legal steps to carry a gun and then obtain a gun with SN filed off? A SN filed off often tells me it's liked to a crime...
In other news - "The people arriving to drop off weapons drive through a series of cones up to the Indianapolis Police Department officers, handing over the guns without ever leaving their cars. Around the other side they meet with HCGV volunteers, who provide them with $20, a coupon for Domino"s Pizza and educational information."
http://www.nuvo.net/archive/2002/10/02/one_gun_makes_a_difference.html
Indiana is fairly reasonable with their CCW permits, and I've seen "shady" cases go in favor of the lawful gun owner who shoots the perp. This case sounds a bit strange...He took the gun away, then fired 15 times?
Sounds like a hate crime to me. I have a guess as to race of shooter and shootee.
I was robbed in what was a total setup. The delivery address turned out to be a two story, 4 unit apt. building. The stairs to the top 2 apts. were in the middle of the building. Of course the apt. my delivery was to was on the second story. I knocked and no one answered, kncoked again and then I heard footsteps and and at the bottom of the stairs was a guy with a bandana masking his face pointing a shotgun at me. He told me to throw my wallet which had all the collections from previous pizza deliveries. I complied since I had no where to run(two locked apt.s on both sides and the robber blocking the entrance). After I complied the robber told me that he was going move from the entrance and that I should run. Which I did.
Luckily I had the keys to my car and the robber would have taken the car also. I ran. This neighborhood had seen some bad times but was being gentrified a bit since it's close proximity to downtown Columbus and the houses were mostly turn of century and were built well.
I started going door to door, knocking to see if I could use a phone(this was before mass cell phone availibilty) to call the police. Finally a house purchased by a newlywed couple answered. I told them what just happened and used the phone and the police were there in about 15 minutes.
Well the rest of the story is that I made my police report and, I quit being a pizza deliverer and about a month later they caught the guy when an undercover cop got the robber disguised as a Domino's deliveryman.
My opinion is that the pizza deliverer should be cut a break. It was the robber who started the crime and he got his just consequences, IMO.
I can't blame the delivery man for carrying...He was delivering at a less-than-ideal part of town.
The article implies that without stating it. But when was the last time the media distorted a story? The order in which the shooting and taking the gun is key to the story, but it just says "and" instead of "then".
We've found something we agree upon !
Try it sometime. You can empty even a revolver with a long heavy trigger real fast. If it is a semiauto with a light, short trigger, the perp won't even have time to hit the ground.
That said, most people who find themselves in this situation stand there pulling the trigger on an empty gun for several seconds before they realize it is all over. The adrenaline shock messes up your perception of time.
If the pizza were really hot, the old pie-in-the face routine would be funny.
Good point. Actually when I heard about this on the radio this morning, nothing was said about him taking the gun from the perp...Only that no charges were expected to be filed.
What happened to the pizza!?!
When was the last time your pizza arrived "really hot"?
stupid on pizza huts part. if they wanted to get rid of him they should transfer him to a different store every night. Because they are going to catch hell from us for saying " Yes you can deliver our pizzas for us but you can not defend yourself....." That little message is going to cost them Millions.
Or get bombs strapped to their necks and forced to rob banks, yeah. Delivering pizza's a pretty decent summer job, but you have to watch where you're working. I did it a couple summers ago, and in this area, I'd do it again in a heartbeat. But you couldn't pay me enough to work in a city.
Will wonders ever cease? :^)
"Try it sometime."
Many times :-)
can you get 15 off in less then 3-4 seconds ?
Pretty fast life flash
This is an easy one because any crime story from Indianapolis that involves a white has to have a list of the hate crimes that have occured over recent months. Since this report says nothing about hate crimes or evil armed white men, my bet is that both guys are black. If the armed pizza man had been white, the story would have mentioned his rap sheet or the absence of it.
"Why'd you shoot him 15 times?"
"Ran out of ammo."
PLEEEZE, God, let me be on that jury.
Deliveryman: 'It was my gun or his'
By Terry Horne
terry.horne@indystar.com
May 18, 2004
Marion County prosecutors will decide if any charges will be filed against a pizza deliveryman who killed an armed man during an apparent robbery attempt Monday night on the city's Far Eastside.
"I'm just satisfied it was him and not me," said Ronald B. Honeycutt, 38, of Carmel this morning.
Honeycutt said he pulled his gun and fired off all 15 rounds when, as he was about to get into his van, he turned and saw a man coming toward him.
"He said, "Hey, my guy," and as he said "Hey, my guy," he's lifting his arm up with his gun in his hand."
Honeycutt said he pulled his own 9 mm pistol and fired off all 15 rounds at the other man at close range.
The other man, Jerome Brown, 20, 9500 block of East 39th Place, was taken to Methodist Hospital where he died a short time later.
Marion County Sheriff Capt. Phil Burton said there were no witnesses to the shooting, which occurred about 11 p.m. in the 3600 block of Long Wharf Drive.
Burton said he did not know how many times Brown was shot but it was multiple times.
Burton said the investigators would present their findings to the Marion County Prosecutor's office.
Honeycutt said detectives had told him that "something could come out of it" because of the number of times he had shot Brown.
Honeycutt said he emptied his gun in less than 10 seconds and kept firing because he couldn't tell whether the bullets were striking Brown, who was three to five feet away. "He never ran. He never cried. He never moved. It was like I was missing him altogether."
Honeycutt said that after Brown fell, with his gun arm outstretched, Brown said, "I just wanted a pizza."
But Honeycutt said he didn't believe him, "because that's not what he wanted," he said.
The deliveryman said he later learned that Brown's gun never fired because there wasn't a round in the chamber. However, he did hear Brown's gun click two times, he said.
Honeycutt, who said he was laid off about a year ago from a transportation job with The Indianapolis Star, said he has been delivering pizza for 20 years. "I've always had a gun," he said. "I like delivering pizzas. It's a fair job, but I don't plan on dying for it. I know so many people that really got mangled up."
Honeycutt, who was delivering for the Pizza Hut store at 8932 E. 38th Street, said he had already made a $50 delivery Monday night where bystanders had badgered him. "I expected to get robbed," he said.
Then he drove to the Long Wharf Drive apartment. He said he noticed two men coming towards him as he was approaching the building but he doesn't know if either of them were Brown or associated with him.
After making his delivery, he turned around -- "to check my back one more time" -- and saw a man walking briskly toward him. He had reached his van and opened the door when he saw Brown raise his arm, he said. "Once he leveled that gun at me, it was my gun or his."
Honeycutt said he picked up Brown's gun after the shooting, because he feared Brown had an accomplice, and drove back to the store, just a couple of minutes away, where detectives later met him.
Honeycutt said he was fired from his job because he had violated the store policy against carrying a gun, which he was licensed to carry.
"It's my life. I choose which policy to follow."
A Pizza Hut spokeswoman, Patty Sullivan, confirmed that the ban on carrying weapons is a company policy.
Honeycutt said he had never had to fire his gun in self-defense before, although he had pointed at some would-be robbers once before.
"I'm a pretty down to earth kind of person. With everything that's transpired since 911, killing these days almost seems a necessity if it means your life or theirs."
"The victim was taken to a local hospital where he later died, RTV6 reproted."
Victim, what victim? Did the Pizza Delivery man get hurt by shooting the perp?
I've boycotted Dominos ever since.
I used to call the manager at the local Dominos to let them know
I'd just ordered a pizza from somewhere else due to their policy.
I'll add Pizza Hut to the list.
I did a tour of duty as a gas station clerk. I never got held up but a guy I worked with did. He wasn't the same after it happened. Like you I am not sure if they could pay me enough to work that job again. I respect convenance store clerks, restraunt employees and delivery people and feel they should be allowed to protect themselves. Anyone who attempts to commit a crime on people working such jobs deserves to be dead no matter if they kill someone or not.
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