Posted on 05/20/2004 4:54:06 PM PDT by TexKat
BAGHDAD - With attention focused on the seven soldiers charged with abuse at the Abu Ghraib prison, U.S. military and intelligence officials familiar with the situation tell NBC News the Army’s elite Delta Force is now the subject of a Pentagon inspector general investigation into abuse against detainees.
The target is a top-secret site near Baghdad’s airport. The battlefield interrogation facility known as the “BIF” is pictured in satellite photos.
According to two top U.S. government sources, it is the scene of the most egregious violations of the Geneva Conventions in all of Iraq’s prisons. A place where the normal rules of interrogation don’t apply, Delta Force’s BIF only holds Iraqi insurgents and suspected terrorists — but not the most wanted among Saddam’s lieutenants pictured on the deck of cards.
(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...
I'd love to know which branch. Legislative, perhaps..?
Enough already.
Pelosi and Daschle, perhaps. Or maybe Kennedy and Specter. Or...the list of suspects is quite large.
Clinton hold-overs.
The liberal's attack on the troops continues.
All good suspects. Actually, I was thinking Hilliary.
BIF: B.F.D.
Can we question their patriotism, yet?
;)
They don't call it their 'silver bullet' for nothing.
They will dig dirt on the and anything related as long as they can.
Remember, they vetted GWB's National Guard service in 2000, and they've done it twice in 2004, each time getting a good week or more of negative PR.
As long as they can keep any negative PR going on the Iraqi prison abuse scandal, tney will. And why not, the other side is staying quiet and letting them.
I can question Campbell Brown's.
So, does Rumfeld know about the BIF and what goes on there?
Several top U.S. military and intelligence sources say yes, and that he, through other top Pentagon officials, directed the U.S. head of intelligence in Iraq, Gen. Barbara Fast, and others to bring some of the methods used at the BIF to prisons like Abu Ghraib, in hopes of getting better intelligence from Iraqi detainees.
The scumbag media really doesn't want to start on our special forces.
I gotta believe that we've got interrogation techniques more sophisticated than something that looks like it was lifted from a porno movie.
Hell, not 'JUST' campbell brown.......it's ALL of nbc. And abc and cbs...you name it. The only time they are patriots is when a dim is in office. And even then, they aren't behind the military, just the Prez. I'm so sick of the media, the dnc and all the dims, except zell.
I am sick of them badmouthing our President. I am sick of them badmouthing our troops. I am sick of them badmouthing our mission in Iraq and the WOT. I am sick of EVERYTHING BEING BUSH'S FAULT. I am sick of their negativity. I am sick of their swooning over that idiot skerry. They have got half of the idiots in this country thinking that this pompous elitist, this fake war hero would be a good president.
I have just about quit watching all news, including Fox. I catch Brit occasionally. Why watch it? FR has all the news here BEFORE they do, without any liberal ass comentary afterwards. Thanks to all you freepers for keeping my sanity in this election year. Sorry for the rant.
I hope that one day they will be held accountable for their greed. It's not the 1st amendment its the bottom line and nothing else.
They sell our soldiers down the road for a few rating points or pieces of silver.
The press seems to ignore the fact that the Geneva Conventions are not applicable here.
Leftist Propaganda Technique: Repeat repeat repeat until it is believed by the sheeple.
If you expect me to say anything negative about Donald Rumsfeld, you've got a looooonnng, long wait.
Beyond the abuse found at Abu Ghraib, has there been evidence found at even one other prison, let alone "in all of Iraq"? The answer is no.
I saw Campbell on Hardball yesterday, sent over for the court martials.
Once again this is an example of the media trying to correlate certain treatment of prisoners with what went on at Abu Ghraib. If there's anything egregious (besides the actual garbage that went on at Abu Ghraib), it is this constant and relentless attempt to tie the administration directly to Abu Ghraib.
I note her report includes:
In Washington Thursday evening, a senior Pentagon official denied allegations of prisoner abuse at Battlefield Interrogation Facilities operated by Delta Force in Iraq. And he said the tactics described in this report are not used in those facilities.
This sounds like another disgraceful and deceitful example of journalism gone wild.
Trying to demoralize the troops more; this is crazy.
Bush needs to stop letting events control him and instead start acting like an Cheif Executive.
He is letting them given themselves enough rope right now. I know it's frustrating, but the truth is on Bush's side. Have patience. He knows full well that his enemy is with the American press as much as the terrorists.
Man, you hit the nail on the head! It is sad but true. I keep waiting for the rope to cinch up real tight.
Dittos
Excerpt:
Senate wants Gitmo 'torture' videos, too
By Shaun Waterman
UPI Homeland and National Security Editor
Published 5/19/2004 8:01 PM
Videotapes that ex-inmates say show guards beating prisoners at the U.S. military detention facility in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, have been reviewed by the inspector general of the Navy and will be provided to senate investigators, a military spokesman told United Press International.
U.S. officials insist that detainees are treated and interrogated humanely at Guantanamo and that any abuse is immediately reported and punished. Nonetheless, news of the existence of the tapes raises the prospect of more images of alleged U.S. brutality emerging, broadening and deepening the scandal over what Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld called the "radioactive" pictures of detainees being abused at the now twice-notorious Abu Ghraib prison complex in Iraq.
One set of the Guantanamo allegations centers on the actions of the Immediate Response Force, a special team of guards tasked to deal with detainee misconduct and violence. In recent media interviews and letters to U.S. senators, three Britons who were held at the camp until their release in March 2004 described several incidents in which they say the team savagely assaulted inmates.
I was not expecting for you to say anything negative about Rumsfeld. I simply posted an excerpt from the attached article.
I wonder if they might not have overplayed their hand. We shall see. I think the fact that the "abuse scandal" did not have the legs they imagined it would nor the seemingly small damage it caused Bush may bear my notion out.
But you are right - the GOP needs to understand what Nancy boys they look like in their inability to react in a united and rigorous counter attack.
Actually Indie, according to Rummy, the Geneva Conventions do apply in Iraq.
However, they do not in the case of Afganistan, where we were after Taliban/Al Queda/Bin Laden types.
Whats the difference?
The Davidians were machine gunned trying to escape the flames and tanks, and the Iraqis have a bag on their bruised head.
They may apply to Baathists and Fedayeen, but I think Syrians and AQ are fair game, or should be.
Never thought I'd be able to say this, but there are rumblings of discontent in the Seattle media as well. I'm getting the impression that while the direction of fire is definitely toward Bush and his administration, by now the purpose of it is revealed as self-aggrandizment on the part of Pulitzer-happy greedheads in the media who frankly don't care who gets hurt, whether it be Bush or the troops or the Iraqis or a fellow named Berg. When their public really does become bored, they're often the last to know, because in the final analysis they're writing and broadcasting for and to themselves.
Enough already! Those diaperheads should simply be lucky that they were not summarily executed!
I just posted on another thread that I got polled by an official scientific poll tonight.
Along with prison abuse, approve/disapprove of GWB in certain areas (job approval, economy and Iraq), if election held today who would I vote for, the Nick Berg video and gas prices, it had several questions on the media in particular (also some of the above was framed in relation to them).
I found this fascinating.
It was done by the Walter Cronkite School of Journalism at ASU and was not nationwide but statewide.
The media questions were if they've covered the prison story too much, should they get the pictures that are out there, should they have shown Nick Berg's beheading, are they trustworthy (with four choices ranging from very to extremely un), does the first amendment go too far in protecting them and should the government have the right to review and revise media stories.
I answered yes on too much coverage, said they are extremely untrustworthy, the first amendment does not go too far and no, the government should not have the right to review and revise.
interesting, no?
I have to believe the Bush campaign has some increduluous information that they will reveal at an opportunistic time in the campaign that will blow the press and the dems out of the water. You're absolutely right that they are biting their lip at this point. The "bleeding hearts" out there have very short memories(primarily due to low IQ's), so the closer to the election that it's revealed, the more likely it will be retained when they go to the polls.
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