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New front in Iraq detainee abuse scandal?
MSNBC ^ | 5/20/04 | Campbell Brown

Posted on 05/20/2004 4:54:06 PM PDT by TexKat

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To: Finalapproach29er

He is letting them given themselves enough rope right now. I know it's frustrating, but the truth is on Bush's side. Have patience. He knows full well that his enemy is with the American press as much as the terrorists.


21 posted on 05/20/2004 5:31:19 PM PDT by Galtoid
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To: Galtoid
He is letting them given themselves enough rope right now. I know it's frustrating, but the truth is on Bush's side. Have patience. He knows full well that his enemy is with the American press as much as the terrorists.

Man, you hit the nail on the head! It is sad but true. I keep waiting for the rope to cinch up real tight.

22 posted on 05/20/2004 5:35:19 PM PDT by Chieftain (To all who serve and support those who serve - thank you!)
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To: Finalapproach29er; All
I agree! Stop screwing around!
President Bush should immediately declare martial law! /sarcasm?//
I swear some posters here act like President Bush has supernatural powers and can force people to act intelligently, but is just too lazy to do so.
Sheesh!
BTW, I am not averse to Martial Law declarations.I think it still might be coming,sometime in the next five years or so, but hopefully it can be avoided.
You really wouldn't like it!
23 posted on 05/20/2004 5:41:11 PM PDT by sarasmom (Watching mainstream liberal media "news reports" will cause brain atrophy.)
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To: bornintexas

Dittos


24 posted on 05/20/2004 5:43:24 PM PDT by Ben Chad
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To: TomGuy
Looks as though they are digging for any and everything they can find.

Excerpt:

Senate wants Gitmo 'torture' videos, too

By Shaun Waterman

UPI Homeland and National Security Editor

Published 5/19/2004 8:01 PM

Videotapes that ex-inmates say show guards beating prisoners at the U.S. military detention facility in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, have been reviewed by the inspector general of the Navy and will be provided to senate investigators, a military spokesman told United Press International.

U.S. officials insist that detainees are treated and interrogated humanely at Guantanamo and that any abuse is immediately reported and punished. Nonetheless, news of the existence of the tapes raises the prospect of more images of alleged U.S. brutality emerging, broadening and deepening the scandal over what Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld called the "radioactive" pictures of detainees being abused at the now twice-notorious Abu Ghraib prison complex in Iraq.

One set of the Guantanamo allegations centers on the actions of the Immediate Response Force, a special team of guards tasked to deal with detainee misconduct and violence. In recent media interviews and letters to U.S. senators, three Britons who were held at the camp until their release in March 2004 described several incidents in which they say the team savagely assaulted inmates.

25 posted on 05/20/2004 5:52:10 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Wolfstar
If you expect me to say anything negative about Donald Rumsfeld, you've got a looooonnng, long wait.

I was not expecting for you to say anything negative about Rumsfeld. I simply posted an excerpt from the attached article.

26 posted on 05/20/2004 6:02:19 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TomGuy
I don't know, people are starting to complain, even here in New York about the media. They are outing themselves. This may be a fatal campaign for Old Media. Going after Rudy, the NYPD and the FDNY was very, very stupid. It might just be wishful thinking on my part by I am seeing the scales start ot fall of of some eyes yonder. Of course, one will never move the radical crowd or the media/artsy-fartsy crowd but those "reasonable" left of center Liberals, the more "political sentimental" liberals, the "unpolitical" left of center liberals that are mostly mildly conformist and the older New Seal/Great Society social dems all seem to be given pause by this nonstop, petty and often questionable assault. I certainly have never seen anything like it. in the many decades I have been watching AMerican politics - it beats both the 60's and the Reagan years. At least that is what I see. Some of these folks are swing voters and of course there are the honest "moderates" as well.

I wonder if they might not have overplayed their hand. We shall see. I think the fact that the "abuse scandal" did not have the legs they imagined it would nor the seemingly small damage it caused Bush may bear my notion out.

But you are right - the GOP needs to understand what Nancy boys they look like in their inability to react in a united and rigorous counter attack.

27 posted on 05/20/2004 6:14:06 PM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: Indie

Actually Indie, according to Rummy, the Geneva Conventions do apply in Iraq.

However, they do not in the case of Afganistan, where we were after Taliban/Al Queda/Bin Laden types.


28 posted on 05/20/2004 6:40:10 PM PDT by Lord_Baltar
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To: TexKat
Delta Force on Iraqis. Delta Force on Branch Davidian women & children.

Whats the difference?

The Davidians were machine gunned trying to escape the flames and tanks, and the Iraqis have a bag on their bruised head.

29 posted on 05/20/2004 6:41:16 PM PDT by Lester Moore
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To: Lord_Baltar
Actually Indie, according to Rummy, the Geneva Conventions do apply in Iraq.

They may apply to Baathists and Fedayeen, but I think Syrians and AQ are fair game, or should be.

30 posted on 05/20/2004 6:43:56 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: CasearianDaoist
...people are starting to complain...

Never thought I'd be able to say this, but there are rumblings of discontent in the Seattle media as well. I'm getting the impression that while the direction of fire is definitely toward Bush and his administration, by now the purpose of it is revealed as self-aggrandizment on the part of Pulitzer-happy greedheads in the media who frankly don't care who gets hurt, whether it be Bush or the troops or the Iraqis or a fellow named Berg. When their public really does become bored, they're often the last to know, because in the final analysis they're writing and broadcasting for and to themselves.

31 posted on 05/20/2004 6:52:08 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: TexKat

Enough already! Those diaperheads should simply be lucky that they were not summarily executed!


32 posted on 05/20/2004 7:59:11 PM PDT by nonliberal (Bush 2004: He is better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick.)
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To: CasearianDaoist

I just posted on another thread that I got polled by an official scientific poll tonight.

Along with prison abuse, approve/disapprove of GWB in certain areas (job approval, economy and Iraq), if election held today who would I vote for, the Nick Berg video and gas prices, it had several questions on the media in particular (also some of the above was framed in relation to them).

I found this fascinating.

It was done by the Walter Cronkite School of Journalism at ASU and was not nationwide but statewide.

The media questions were if they've covered the prison story too much, should they get the pictures that are out there, should they have shown Nick Berg's beheading, are they trustworthy (with four choices ranging from very to extremely un), does the first amendment go too far in protecting them and should the government have the right to review and revise media stories.

I answered yes on too much coverage, said they are extremely untrustworthy, the first amendment does not go too far and no, the government should not have the right to review and revise.

interesting, no?


33 posted on 05/20/2004 8:40:00 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Chieftain

I have to believe the Bush campaign has some increduluous information that they will reveal at an opportunistic time in the campaign that will blow the press and the dems out of the water. You're absolutely right that they are biting their lip at this point. The "bleeding hearts" out there have very short memories(primarily due to low IQ's), so the closer to the election that it's revealed, the more likely it will be retained when they go to the polls.


34 posted on 05/20/2004 9:40:23 PM PDT by conshack
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