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Prisoner abuse shows lack of character, not poor training
Grand Rapids Press ^ | May 22, 2004 | Rex M. Rogers

Posted on 05/22/2004 3:52:56 AM PDT by visagoth

 

Prisoner abuse shows lack of character, not poor training

Saturday, May 22, 2004

My son is a 19-year-old Army Reserve MP. He graduated yesterday (May 21) after 18 weeks of training. This is not the best time to be a military police officer, given the world-wide attention focused on Army Reserve MPs as a result of pictures detailing abuses of detainees at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

If anyone is more perplexed and outraged than the average American citizen by abusive behavior by MPs, then it is most certainly my son and the members of his newly-minted MP unit.

These men and women are motivated by patriotism and a mix of other emotions, including both apprehension and excitement. But the bottom line is that they are young soldiers training to serve their country. While they're embarrassed and incensed by these latest revelations, they're proud of what they are and what they wish to become.

Our son will be home with us for a time this summer, but later this year, in all likelihood, his unit will be deployed somewhere in the world. The "police actions" in which the United States finds itself in Iraq or Afghanistan, to name only two, require people who are "part police officer-part soldier." That's exactly what an MP is: a military police officer operating, one would reasonably assume, with the highest consciousness of duty, honor and country.

My concern for my son and his fellow MPs leads me to hope the Abu Ghraib abuses are an aberration. I pray that the culprits are a few wildly errant soldiers; people who clearly do not represent the thousands of uniformed Americans serving around the world with deserved distinction. I do not want to believe that inhumane policies were sanctioned by line officers. But we must know the truth. Where were the troops' commanding officers? And in the language of Watergate, "What did they know? And when did they know it?"

Something about our Army's leaders' initial responses troubles me. Admittedly, more training and more personnel are perhaps needed forms of support. Indeed, as an educator, I can be depended upon to promote the merits of more training. But these examples of human depravity are not about more training. They're about character.

Teddy Roosevelt said that to educate a man without morals is to educate a menace to society. Well-educated criminals exist. So do well-educated terrorists. More training or preparedness will not solve all our problems.

If America's moral credibility was at stake before, it most assuredly is teetering now, even if it is true that a few soldiers do not an Army -- or a country -- make. How America handles perpetrators of sexually-charged humiliation and torture will say a great deal about who we are at the heart of our culture.

Character is everyone's business. It's about one soldier saying, "This is not right." It's about the American people bucking our recent peace time trends and using categorical moral statements like "evil" or "wrong," and then holding accountable those who are responsible for a form of war crime.

As a parent I'm not naive. I know what MPs must sometimes do in defense of freedom. But I also know that the best service my son can give his country is to wear his uniform honorably. We should expect no less of his colleagues and his leaders, for to paraphrase Alexis de Tocqueville, America will remain great as America remains good.

Rex M. Rogers is president of Cornerstone University. He and his wife, Sarah, live in Alto and have four children; the youngest is Army Reservist Adam Rogers.



© 2004 Grand Rapids Press. Used with permission

Copyright 2004 Michigan Live. All Rights Reserved.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: abuse; character; prisoner; rex; rogers; training
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As a former USAF SP, I could not have put it better than Mr. Rogers. This whole Abu Ghraib situation is not about lack of training or supervision - it is about having the guts to stand up and tell the abuser that what they are doing is wrong.
1 posted on 05/22/2004 3:52:58 AM PDT by visagoth
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To: visagoth

Character is what you do when no one is looking -- J.C. Watts.


2 posted on 05/22/2004 4:08:07 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

I think Alan Keyes made that point in one of his full circle speeches in Utah the other day.

We not only are fighting foreign terrorists whom have evil intent but we have some homegrown in America as well.

Terror on all sides and it started way before 9/11.

All I can do is keep praying.


3 posted on 05/22/2004 4:15:35 AM PDT by oceanperch (Let GO and Let GOD....tag line chill)
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To: visagoth

An Army of ONE.

Could this wrong headed thinking be part of the problem?


4 posted on 05/22/2004 4:31:30 AM PDT by sd-joe
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

Amen to that!!


5 posted on 05/22/2004 4:33:54 AM PDT by LadyShallott ("An armed society is a polite society."~Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

The issue is not news why is the media covering it.


6 posted on 05/22/2004 5:00:13 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: visagoth
This whole Abu Ghraib situation is not about lack of training or supervision - it is about having the guts to stand up and tell the abuser that what they are doing is wrong.

I agree, but lack of consistent training and supervision seem part of the problem to me.

Otherwise, the abusers would not have taken pictures and shared them as entertainment. This implies a cultural acceptance of torture that doesn't square with effective training opposed to prisoner torture.

Darby would not have feared retribution from a few deranged guards, had he the certainty of immediate support from superior officers.

He did have enough support to take a risk and step forward, but he did take a risk.

The army seems to have conflicting policies and factions regarding treatment of prisoners.

7 posted on 05/22/2004 5:11:30 AM PDT by secretagent
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To: visagoth
This whole Abu Ghraib situation is not about lack of training or supervision - it is about having the guts to stand up and tell the abuser that what they are doing is wrong.

Must disagree in part. Yes, character does count, but the military is made up of a cross section of our country and, therefore, our culture. It reflects our culture, both its good and bad. Basic training is partially designed to tear down the individual and recreate him/her as a part of a team. It does not presume, however, to create an automaton that has jettisoned 20 years of learned characteristics. Instead, it instills fear as one aspect of its training regimen.

If you have read the outstanding book The Kinder, Gentler Military, by Stephanie Gutmann, you would see that much changed in training during the Clinton administration, mostly starting with the aftermath of the Tailhook incident. Some of these changes included an acceptance of females and males being trained together, and a change in the methodology to less traumatizing and to a more human, compassionate experience. Whether that still exists in today's training environment I cannot say. But I suggest that some of these noncoms were a part of that.

While we must utilize soldiers who may not share our sense of honor or dignity, we must provide assurances that the mission will be accomplished through strong, repeated and meaningful training, as well as strong leadership and effective supervision.

8 posted on 05/22/2004 5:38:52 AM PDT by MACVSOG68
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To: MACVSOG68

"Character is what you do when no one is looking -- J.C. Watts." says it all.


9 posted on 05/22/2004 5:40:24 AM PDT by rrrod
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To: visagoth
This "action" in this prison reminds me how the Clintons used the White House. They were a bit smarter though they made sure no cameras were allowed.
10 posted on 05/22/2004 5:42:23 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: visagoth

It is ALSO about lack of character--but it is ALSO about lack of leadership and the ongoing, long term problem of the culture of "eyewash" and "this doesn't need to get out" that pervades the Army National Guard and Army Reserves.

The officers and senior NCOs, up to and including that beeyotch BG Janic Karpinski, ALL need to be court martialed. BG Karpinski needs to be jailed.


11 posted on 05/22/2004 6:00:14 AM PDT by Ronly Bonly Jones (truth is truth)
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"Character is what you do when no one is looking -- J.C. Watts." says it all.

That's a very nice maxim, and one I agree with completely. You make my point above. If you are suggesting that all we need do is bring folks into the service with wonderful character, and then let them go for it, trusting that the job will be done, you are simply not living in the real world that is today, and has always been, a part of the military....that is, a cross section of our culture, which includes less than honorable character.

Your little adage does not explain how to deal with that.

12 posted on 05/22/2004 6:02:47 AM PDT by MACVSOG68
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To: Vaduz
The issue is not news why is the media covering it.

Of course it is news, very important news. As the story is developing, it appears that the first line perps were following orders and we must absolutely know from how high those orders came.

Our nation will pay a huge price for this decision to ignore Geneva Convention standards. It will give our future enemies the excuse they need to do the same to Americans that they capture. Every decision is a two edged sword.

This nation will probably spend most of the 21st century paying for the neo-con's fantasy war.

13 posted on 05/22/2004 6:11:53 AM PDT by Mike4Freedom (Freedom is the one thing that you cannot have unless you grant it to everyone else.)
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To: visagoth

One thought I had, about the prisoner abuses, was the abusers were Democrat Party activists. The Demwits would have a motive for committing atrocities, if they could use the publicity about the atrocities to get back into power.


14 posted on 05/22/2004 6:12:35 AM PDT by punster (q)
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To: Mike4Freedom
Our nation will pay a huge price for this decision to ignore Geneva Convention standards. It will give our future enemies the excuse they need to do the same to Americans that they capture.

I don't condone in any way what was done by these perverted misfits to these prisoners. But, I've got news for you. Our own captured POWs have not been treated in accordance to the Geneva Convention at any time in the many years since we signed it, so your argument rings hollow.

Technically, we are not bound by anything which requires we treat these prisoners in accordance with the Geneva Convention. These are "irregular" forces or criminals which are exempted. In addition, none of the groups we are warring against ever signed these Conventions. We "volunteered" to treat them IAW this treatment but are not bound by it.

15 posted on 05/22/2004 6:50:51 AM PDT by Gritty ("Break the occupier by hitting their homeland. Terrorism is part of Islam-Omar Bakri, al Muhajiroun)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
Character is what you do when no one is looking -- J.C. Watts.

Reminds me of my favorite line from "Wall Steet": "A man looks into the abyss. Sees nothing staring back at him. At that moment, a man finds his character. And that’s what keeps him out of the abyss."
16 posted on 05/22/2004 7:44:11 AM PDT by Nathan Jr.
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To: MACVSOG68
Yes, character does count, but the military is made up of a cross section of our country and, therefore, our culture. It reflects our culture, both its good and bad.

Something the media has not picked up on: In this case, the reservists implicated in the abuse were all cops or screws or had the stated goal of a career in law enforcement. THAT is a part of our culture that has gone seriously haywire. These people would do the same to you and me if they thought they could get away with it, and have or seek positions of power over other people. They are sick, sick, sick. And our law enforcement culture enables them.

17 posted on 05/22/2004 9:06:38 AM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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To: Mike4Freedom

There are other causes that contributed to this lapse. See #17.


18 posted on 05/22/2004 9:07:42 AM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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To: punster

No, but they do share a common background.


19 posted on 05/22/2004 9:08:48 AM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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To: eno_
In this case, the reservists implicated in the abuse were all cops or screws or had the stated goal of a career in law enforcement. THAT is a part of our culture that has gone seriously haywire.

You may well have hit the nail on the head. All the more reason for adequate leadership and supervision.

20 posted on 05/22/2004 10:12:14 AM PDT by MACVSOG68
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