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To: Luis Gonzalez
BZZZZTTT... Wrong answer!

We're talking New Testament with respect to Christianity and, while not up on Judaism AFAIK they don't have ANYONE espousing OT\Torah requirements to enforce death penalty religeous mores or to lay waste and beget misery upon non Judaic peoples.

Face it, The Koran and the Hadiths and apologia of Islam ACTIVELY promote the violent conversion of non-believers and a LOT of other horrible stuff and there are AT LEAST 10-15% of it's ~1.2 billion followers willing to accept as "in stone" those passages. It's further complicated by instruction to LIE and INFILTRATE non-believers, making all followers suspect on some level. NO large number of clerics in Middle Eastern countries step up to the plate to denounce this.

There is NO example of this type of mindset in Judaeo Christian cultures today. Aside from a rare sociopathic nutjob (who is immediately denounced by Christian leaders en-masse) there are NO masses of followers in those religeons willing to strap explosives on their children (Palestinians), enslave thousands of non-believers (Sudanese), provoke religeous bloodbaths (Nigeria, Indonesia, India), mutilate their women's sexual organs (much of Islamic world) etc... I dare say you won't find a SINGLE non Islamic nation whose purpose for the developement of nuclear weapons is to pre-emptively utilize them to eradicate another nation without thought of the consequence to their own people (Iran with respect to Israel).

Islam as it stands is a blood and death cult. For ~1300 years this has not changed. Until they modify their religeous texts to remove the calls to bring misery and death upon non-believers they are the enemy and are not to be trusted. Until the west gets this through their thick skulls we are at serious risk...

96 posted on 05/25/2004 6:41:16 AM PDT by Axenolith
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To: Axenolith
"...they don't have ANYONE espousing OT\Torah requirements to enforce death penalty religeous mores or to lay waste and beget misery upon non Judaic peoples."

So, the best thing about the Jews that you can say is that they are willingly not following God's commands?

"Face it, The Koran and the Hadiths and apologia of Islam ACTIVELY promote the violent conversion of non-believers"

Not at all. The version of Islam being actively promoted by so-called "fundamentalist" Muslims does, but not mainstream Islam, otherwise, we'd be fighting a whole lot more people than we are now.

"...there are AT LEAST 10-15% of it's ~1.2 billion followers willing to accept as "in stone" those passages."

Well, that leaves 85-90% who DO NOT!

"Islam as it stands is a blood and death cult."

According to your own words, 85-90% of Islam does not practice the religion as a blood and death cult. Make up your mind, is it Islam, or is it the 10-15% radicals who are the enemy?

Hint: it's the 10-15%.

"For ~1300 years this has not changed."

Where were the Fundamentalist Islamic terrorists in the 1930's? The 1950's?

Study the Koran?
by Daniel Pipes
New York Sun
January 20, 2004

"Anyone concerned with what's happening in our world ought to spend some time reading the Koran." Andy Rooney, the famed CBS commentator, gave this advice shortly after 9/11, as did plenty of others.

His suggestion makes intuitive sense, given that the terrorists themselves say they are acting on the basis of the holy scripture of Islam. Accused 9/11 ringleader Mohammed Atta had a Koran (sometimes spelled Qur'an) in the suitcase he had checked for his flight. His five-page document of advice for fellow hijackers instructed them to pray, ask God for guidance, and "continue to recite the Koran." Osama bin Laden often quotes the Koran to motivate and convince followers.

Witnesses report that at least one of the suicide bombers who tried to assassinate Pakistan's president, Pervez Musharraf, last month was reading the Koran before blowing himself up. Hamas suicide videotapes routinely feature the Koran.

And lots of non-Muslims in fact have been reading the Koran. In the weeks after September 11, the book's largest publisher in the United States reported that sales had quintupled; it had to airlift copies from Great Britain to meet the demand. American bookstores reported selling more Korans than Bibles.

All this, incidentally, was music to Islamist ears. Hossam Gabri of the Islamic Society of Boston, a group tied to a terrorism funder, considers non-Muslims trying to understand the Koran "a very good development." But reading the Koran is precisely the wrong way to go about understanding "what's happening in our world." That's because the Koran is:

A history book, however, is a history book. Instead of the Koran, I urge anyone wanting to study militant Islam and the violence it inspires to understand such phenomena as the Wahhabi movement, the Khomeini revolution, and Al-Qaeda. Muslim history, not Islamic theology, explains how we got here and hints at what might come next.

98 posted on 05/25/2004 9:17:55 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Pátria, pero sin amo.)
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