[oceanview]

correct. these state initiatives won't matter once the SCOTUS tosses the federal defense of marriage act (and they will, the votes are there). and I do not think the constitutional amendment will succeed. the gays have won this battle (don't shoot the messenger). the votes just aren't there to stop them.

[dr_who_2]

More importantly, Europe and Canada has already shown us the way!

Bush and the GOP has basically dropped the ball when it comes to the perpetual contest over the judicial branch. It may no longer matter whether the left wins at the ballot box any more. They lose, but they're entrenched until the next century.