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ATF Agents Arrest 14 in Multistate Operation(Gestapo Alert!)
PRNewswire via Yahoo ^ | May 21, 2004

Posted on 05/22/2004 11:31:33 PM PDT by SteveH

ATF Agents Arrest 14 in Multistate Operation(Gestapo Alert!)

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040521/clf044_1.html

May 21, 2004

ATF Agents Arrest 14 in Multistate Operation

Friday May 21, 5:17 pm ET

RENO, Nev., May 21 /PRNewswire/ -- John A. Torres, Special Agent In Charge of the San Francisco Field Division of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), announced today that ATF agents in California, Nevada, Idaho, Utah and Washington State participated in the arrests of 14 people after a federal grand jury returned indictments charging them with federal firearms violations. All of the defendants were charged with dealing firearms without a license, illegal sales of firearms, possession of unregistered firearms, and possession of firearms by prohibited persons. One of those arrested, Laquan J. Abdulrahim of East Palo Alto, Calif., was also charged with possession of body armor by a violent felon, the first time a defendant in Nevada has been charged with this federal violation. This charge alone carries a maximum penalty of three years in federal prison.

Dubbed "Operation Over The Line," the year-long investigation into the illegal purchasing and trafficking of firearms ultimately led agents to individuals in three other states. During the course of the investigation, more than 400 firearms were seized with dozens more to be retrieved in the near future. ATF undercover agents purchased approximately 30-40 firearms from various individuals, including some that were illegal. The agents purchased firearms from federally licensed firearms dealers (FFLs) as well as unlicensed dealers.

"Although some of these transactions took place at various gunshows in Nevada, a minority group of people chose to use gunshows as a conduit to conduct their illegal activities," Torres said. "The gun shows were not the target of our investigation."

In addition to the arrest warrants, agents served a federal search warrant at the residence and business of Larry B. Reimer, of Pahrump, Nev. Reimer was arrested pursuant to the grand jury indictments. Reimer, a licensed firearms dealer, was charged with the illegal transfer of a semiautomatic weapon and the illegal sale of a firearm. These charges carry a maximum penalty of five years each in federal prison.

Among the items recovered at another search warrant location in Nevada were a number of firearms, including machine guns, as well as explosive materials.

Torres praised the Reno Police Department, Washoe County Sheriff's Department, the Nevada Highway Patrol, California Highway Patrol, the West Sacramento Police Department and the California Department of Justice for assisting ATF in this investigation.

"ATF will continue to reduce illicit firearms trafficking by investigating individuals who provide firearms to prohibited persons, who deal without a license, and who sell firearms illegally. Working with our state and local partners toward this endeavor will keep firearms out of the hands of criminals," Torres said.

More information on ATF is available at www.atf.gov .

Contacts: Nina S. Delgadillo, PIO, ATF Pager: 888-533-8597 Tom Cannon, Resident Agent In Charge Office Phone: 775-784-5251

Source: Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms & Explosives


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; US: California; US: Idaho; US: Nevada; US: Utah; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: atf; bang; banglist; gestapo; gungrabbers; secondamendment
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1 posted on 05/22/2004 11:31:34 PM PDT by SteveH
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To: SteveH

Similar thread here but worth repeating.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1140541/posts

I guess now that the border problem is all fixed and since we are no longer at risk of attack from terrorists the feds have more time to do this kind of thing.


2 posted on 05/22/2004 11:39:26 PM PDT by Sunnyvale CA Eng.
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To: SteveH
illegal transfer of a semiautomatic weapon

Oh God!!!!!!!!!!!!.....the horror!

3 posted on 05/22/2004 11:43:51 PM PDT by wardaddy (This is it. We either win and prevail or we lose and get tossed into that dustbin W mentioned!)
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To: SteveH

I realize the Gestapo did confiscate weapons that were illegal under the Third Reich, but those people caught were sent to concentration/labor camps or killed on the spot. Please don't compare US law enforcement agencies to the murderous Gestapo who rounded up innocents for mass murder as a matter of policy. (Yes Waco was a mass murder of civilians, but done due to poor leadership rather than standing policy). Remember how angry we get as conservatives when some left wing radical calls us Nazis due to our beliefs.


4 posted on 05/22/2004 11:47:29 PM PDT by mrexitement
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To: Sunnyvale CA Eng.

GWB pumped up the federal government with our money. They've got to do something with it. The article mentions 400 firearms. My guess is it cost about $100,000 per firearm.


5 posted on 05/22/2004 11:49:06 PM PDT by Moonman62
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To: SteveH

What you seem to have missed in the body of the story is the guy from East Palo Alto...now that is gang city...his name is rather Muslim sounding and he had body armor (as aviolent felon no less) as well as some nasty guns. This ain't the Gestapo....more likely it is a crack down on folks who may be working with some rather unsavory groups from the mIddle East


6 posted on 05/22/2004 11:54:35 PM PDT by jnarcus
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To: mrexitement
Waco was murder by government policy - it had little or nothing to do with the chain of command on site, but Reno and Clinton almost exclusively.

Note that during these years under President Bush that the number of DEA/BATF no knock warrant "hits" has gone down to nearly zero? Under Clinton, they were almost monthly if not more.

7 posted on 05/22/2004 11:57:40 PM PDT by datura (Let's drop the pretense. It's time to declare this a CRUSADE and finish it once and for all.)
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To: SteveH

Gestapo is a bit over the top, don't you think?


8 posted on 05/23/2004 12:12:46 AM PDT by pt17
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To: datura

So let me get this straight.

You can sit there and make an honest comparison of a US law enforcement agency, however poorly led, with congressional oversight in a democratically elected country to a secret police run by Heinrich Himmler sworn by duty to liquidate Jews and other 'undesirable' human beings?

Words mean things, and when someone sees this kind of stupid comparison being offered on FR our reputation suffers.


9 posted on 05/23/2004 12:13:09 AM PDT by mrexitement
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To: mrexitement

you forgot, this is FR...

Cops killed by criminals: heros

all others: jackbooted nazi thugs.


10 posted on 05/23/2004 12:17:25 AM PDT by KneelBeforeZod (Deus Lo Volt!)
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To: jnarcus
What you seem to have missed in the body of the story is the guy from East Palo Alto...now that is gang city...his name is rather Muslim sounding and he had body armor (as aviolent felon no less) as well as some nasty guns. This ain't the Gestapo....more likely it is a crack down on folks who may be working with some rather unsavory groups from the mIddle East

I know all about East Palo Alto. It's mostly Hispanic now, followed by Blacks. I'm not into just pre-judging people by their names (or ethnicity, or any other superficial trait). People have a right to self defense, period. Take away their natural right to self-defense, and you take away their humanity. I know many on FR will disagree, but IMHO FR has become (over?)populated with people who aren't so much conservative as they are reactionaries. And the title was dragged over verbatim from how it is posted at that other conservative EBB...

11 posted on 05/23/2004 12:18:21 AM PDT by SteveH
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so would "gestapo" be in the headline if the story was

Laquan J. Abdulrahim arrested in firearms sting.

My guess is the headline would be "ATF Agents Arrest 14 in Multistate Operation(Religion of peace Alert!)"


12 posted on 05/23/2004 12:19:45 AM PDT by KneelBeforeZod (Deus Lo Volt!)
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To: datura

WACO was set in motion under Bush I.


13 posted on 05/23/2004 12:19:56 AM PDT by SteveH
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To: pt17
Gestapo is a bit over the top, don't you think?

I think it's open, especially given that it's the ATF. See #11.

14 posted on 05/23/2004 12:21:41 AM PDT by SteveH
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To: Sunnyvale CA Eng.
I guess now that the border problem is all fixed and since we are no longer at risk of attack from terrorists the feds have more time to do this kind of thing.

Amen.

15 posted on 05/23/2004 12:23:50 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SteveH

Just be a man and say you were wrong and not dig yourself into a deeper hole of ignorance.


16 posted on 05/23/2004 12:30:04 AM PDT by mrexitement
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To: SteveH

EPA is mostly hispanic, then islanders, then blacks now. I try not to drive through after dark since they like to shoot at passing cars... Or from passing cars. Still you gotta get off/to the bridge sometimes.


17 posted on 05/23/2004 12:36:05 AM PDT by KneelBeforeZod (Deus Lo Volt!)
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To: mrexitement
re:Please don't compare US law enforcement agencies to the murderous Gestapo who rounded up innocents for mass murder as a matter of policy.
 
babysteps.
they're the same class of loser.
18 posted on 05/23/2004 3:07:18 AM PDT by tomakaze (Cuius testiculos habes, habeas cardia et cerebellum.)
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To: SteveH

It seems you have failed to remember Waco and Ruby Ridge where Clinton trying to appease his tree hugging friends clearly went over the line! People have the right to bear arms but not have banned or unregistered weapons. As for passing judgement because of a name! We earned that right 9/11/01. These people were clearly not upstanding people or we would not even be discussing this. Janet Reno violated more civil rights than anyone in recent history yet you fail to mention this.


19 posted on 05/23/2004 3:20:00 AM PDT by GLSchnJR (Justice was Served)
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To: KneelBeforeZod

Any gun dealer who sells to a person with an Islamic name should be arrested.

(And, please, don't nobody respond with a "But, Timothy McVeigh wasn't Islamic..." response. Those were different times.)


20 posted on 05/23/2004 4:03:08 AM PDT by My Dog Likes Me
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To: My Dog Likes Me

What's your solution for elected officials who keep the borders open where Islamics can walk into America?


21 posted on 05/23/2004 5:07:52 AM PDT by B4Ranch ( "Lady, I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element")
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To: mrexitement
I realize the Gestapo did confiscate weapons that were illegal under the Third Reich, but those people caught were sent to concentration/labor camps or killed on the spot. Please don't compare US law enforcement agencies to the murderous Gestapo who rounded up innocents for mass murder as a matter of policy. (Yes Waco was a mass murder of civilians, but done due to poor leadership rather than standing policy). Remember how angry we get as conservatives when some left wing radical calls us Nazis due to our beliefs.

Bzzzt wrong. Show me the JBTs who killed people at Waco in prison for life, or lined up in front of a firing squad. Until that happens, these people deserve only penury, beating, humiliation, and death.

22 posted on 05/23/2004 5:15:25 AM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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To: SteveH

Must be a RENO thing...


23 posted on 05/23/2004 5:16:51 AM PDT by Recovering Hermit
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To: SteveH
"Working with our state and local partners toward this endeavor will keep firearms out of the hands of criminals," Torres said."

They're still using that tired, old line?

If it's their job to keep "guns out of the hands of criminals," they're the most inept government agency in human history.

24 posted on 05/23/2004 6:11:50 AM PDT by Reactionary
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To: mrexitement
"(Yes Waco was a mass murder of civilians, but done due to poor leadership rather than standing policy)."

Yes, it was that too. . . and those at the scene of the carnage 'ver chust folloving orders,' so lets give them a pass.

25 posted on 05/23/2004 6:35:35 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: KneelBeforeZod
EPA is mostly hispanic, then islanders, then blacks now. I try not to drive through after dark since they like to shoot at passing cars... Or from passing cars.

Soundz roughly accurate, to me...

;-/

26 posted on 05/23/2004 6:47:20 AM PDT by SteveH
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To: SteveH; Mo1; StriperSniper
"Although some of these transactions took place at various gunshows in Nevada, a minority group of people chose to use gunshows as a conduit to conduct their illegal activities," Torres said. "The gun shows were not the target of our investigation."

Bull****!!! This case will make it into the DEMS remarks next time guns are brought up in the Senate/House.

27 posted on 05/23/2004 6:49:55 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: GLSchnJR
It seems you have failed to remember Waco and Ruby Ridge where Clinton trying to appease his tree hugging friends clearly went over the line! ...

Ruby Ridge occurred in Aug. 1992, not including the ATF setup sting which started in 1989. Clinton wasn't inaugurated until Jan. 1993.

Bush I was president in the 1989-1992 timeframe.

It seems you might be interested in reading George Bush: the Unauthorized Biography if you haven't already.

28 posted on 05/23/2004 7:06:39 AM PDT by SteveH
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To: SteveH

How did a small agency charged with collecting the tax on tobacco and booze grow into this? Do they still pay any attention to their “alcohol and tobacco” mission?


29 posted on 05/23/2004 7:09:36 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: jnarcus

What you seem to have missed in the body of the story is the guy from East Palo Alto...now that is gang city...his name is rather Muslim sounding and he had body armor (as aviolent felon no less) as well as some nasty guns. This ain't the Gestapo....more likely it is a crack down on folks who may be working with some rather unsavory groups from the mIddle East



What you have missed is that out of 14 accused of violating techinical laws, they picked that would exploit the racial and cultural assumptions of readers. The ATF seeks to gain the mantle of "anti-terrorism" by implication, when in fact they are mostly arresting white guys who are doing things like selling a rifle to a guy without a background check, or selling a rifle that can be converted to rapid fire.

What is wrong witrh a guy who lives in a dangerous, crime infested neighborhood owning body armor? If he were to use it in a crime, why not just prosecute him for that? Do you really think that NOT having body armor makes it less likely that he would be tempted back into crime?


30 posted on 05/23/2004 7:27:37 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: *bang_list

Bang


31 posted on 05/23/2004 7:30:28 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: GLSchnJR
GLSchnJR said: "People have the right to bear arms but not have banned or unregistered weapons."

Please tell me which infringements of the right to keep and bear arms are not allowed? I challenge you to describe any limits that remain under present policies.

32 posted on 05/23/2004 9:25:04 AM PDT by William Tell (Californians! See "www.rkba.members.sonic.net" to support California RKBA.)
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To: wardaddy
If the INS was run like the ATF, every illegal alien in America would be arrest, deported, or shot in a month.

<p

33 posted on 05/23/2004 9:53:16 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: GLSchnJR
People have the right to bear arms but not have banned or unregistered weapons.

Hmmmm....where do you get that? I haven't read that anywhere in the Constitution. Explain please, if you will.

34 posted on 05/23/2004 9:55:34 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: SteveH
"Operation Over The Line"

Ain't that the truth!!!

Molon Labe!

35 posted on 05/23/2004 10:02:17 AM PDT by TERMINATTOR ("In my opinion, the M1 Rifle is the greatest battle implement ever devised." -General Patton)
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To: mrexitement
You can sit there and make an honest comparison of a US law enforcement agency, however poorly led, with congressional oversight in a democratically elected country to a secret police run by Heinrich Himmler sworn by duty to liquidate Jews and other 'undesirable' human beings?

The Gestapo was only peripherally involved in rounding up Jews, they were more into political opponents, and resistance groups in occupied countries and they did alot of counter intelligence stuff as well.

What difference does it make if your rights are violate by a democratically elected body or by a single dictator? Either way your ass is grass. Furthermore, BATFE agents are (theoretically) sworn to support and defend the Constitution, which is hard to do when the basis for existence of the agency is blatantly unconstitutional on it's face. (Other than the collection of the booze and smokes taxes side, which is no longer part of the agency anyway as it was left in Treasury when BATFE moved to Justice. They retain the AT part of the name because they still enforce the laws against not paying those taxes and administer the regulations on those industries). Thus all BAFTE agents involved in the "F" and "E" parts of the organization's are in direct violation of their oaths, which can't even be said of the Gestapo agents.

36 posted on 05/23/2004 10:19:17 AM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: Beelzebubba

It is really rather simple....If you are a violent felon ( one of the bad guys) you may not own body armor...doesn't matter where you live. I suggest that you take a deep breath and relax just a little bit. The hysteria that is prevalent about this is right up there with a Michael Moore rant...


37 posted on 05/23/2004 10:20:41 AM PDT by jnarcus
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To: GLSchnJR
People have the right to bear arms but not have banned or unregistered weapons.

The very notion of "banned weapons" and "registered weapons" probably sets the founding fathers to spinning in their graves. What part of "right of the people" and "shall not be infringed" is so hard to understand?

38 posted on 05/23/2004 10:23:18 AM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: SteveH
It is always good news for law-abiding gun-owners to see these thuggish gun criminals being prosecuted.
39 posted on 05/23/2004 10:26:00 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad (Rising waves, what motive is behind your impulse? The desire to reach upwards.)
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To: R. Scott
Do they still pay any attention to their “alcohol and tobacco” mission?

They no longr collect the taxes that were their fig leaf for existence. They do still enforce the laws (and make the regulations which the also enforce) on transportation, packaging and so forth. They are now part of the "Justice" department, not the "Treasury" department, where the tax collecting is still done.

40 posted on 05/23/2004 10:26:16 AM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: Travis McGee
Of course, crossing a border without a visa is in the vast majority of cases a misdemeanor offense. Seeing that these misdemeanors are being met with vigilante felonious assault and kidnapping, perhaps the border-crossers ought to be armed in order to protect their unalienable rights.
41 posted on 05/23/2004 10:29:15 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad (Rising waves, what motive is behind your impulse? The desire to reach upwards.)
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To: El Gato

"You wait here. I'll tell the warden you're demanding your rifle back."

42 posted on 05/23/2004 10:31:10 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad (Rising waves, what motive is behind your impulse? The desire to reach upwards.)
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To: Cultural Jihad

Non-citizen criminal invaders have no 2nd amd rights at all. Go troll elsewhere, we have your rap down pat.


43 posted on 05/23/2004 10:33:27 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee

So non-citizen criminal invaders (aka misdemeanor economic refugees) have no God-given unalienable right to self-defense, eh? That is what the felonious criminal yahoos thought before they assaulted unarmed women and children and were subsequently thrown in jail for their criminal deeds.


44 posted on 05/23/2004 10:36:50 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad (Rising waves, what motive is behind your impulse? The desire to reach upwards.)
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To: jnarcus
It is really rather simple....If you are a violent felon ( one of the bad guys) you may not own body armor...doesn't matter where you live

The point is that such a law, if if affects felons who have served their time, including any probationary time, and most especially if the prohibition was not an explicit part the sentence, is a minimum a violation of due process, and arguably of the second amendment as well. But that aside, what is the point? Some former felons, even violent ones (and that can cover way more territory than one might think), may have enemies who want to kill them. If they are going to go back to their old ways, lack of a vest wouldn't stop them. Furthermore the law wouldn't stop them from getting a vest any more than it would stop them from getting a gun if they were so inclined. After all if armed robbery, murder or rape is on ones agenda, and the penalties for second (or additional) offenses of those doesn't deter, the additional penalty for having a gun or a vest are not likely to figure into the calculations much at all.

45 posted on 05/23/2004 10:44:35 AM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: Travis McGee
Praise be the INS, from whom all Constitutional rights flow!
46 posted on 05/23/2004 10:45:51 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad (Rising waves, what motive is behind your impulse? The desire to reach upwards.)
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To: Cultural Jihad
"You wait here. I'll tell the warden you're demanding your rifle back."

Your pitiful analogy doesn't hold water. We are talking about people who have gotten out of prison and have completed their sentences, not as your illustration would have it, people still under sentence.

47 posted on 05/23/2004 10:48:52 AM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: El Gato; Travis McGee

TMG nailed it, CJ is the senior troll around here (trolling since '98), and probably holds the record for having the most conservatives banned. Don't fall into his troll trap!


48 posted on 05/23/2004 11:41:36 AM PDT by TERMINATTOR ("In my opinion, the M1 Rifle is the greatest battle implement ever devised." -General Patton)
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To: TERMINATTOR; Travis McGee; El Gato

Cultural Jihad is a her I think.


49 posted on 05/23/2004 12:17:11 PM PDT by wardaddy (This is it. We either win and prevail or we lose and get tossed into that dustbin W mentioned!)
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To: jnarcus

It is really rather simple....If you are a violent felon ( one of the bad guys) you may not own body armor...



Does merely restating the law constitute a justification for the law in your county? The only people I know who justify laws in that manner are Democrats and bad cops.


50 posted on 05/23/2004 12:28:27 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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