Posted on 05/22/2004 11:31:33 PM PDT by SteveH
If the government were to ban all firearms that could fire anything more powerful than a .22 CB cap, and required a $1,000 registration fee even for those, would that be or would that not be an infringement on people's right to keep and bear arms?
Look the law is written with a cdertain amount of sense...violent felons are not just some guys who have some how crossed the government and have become poltical prisoners. They have used guns and or knives to hurt others. I don't want them to own body armor for any reason. No one I know that has not served time feels the need to own body armor so I have to wonder what the real reason is for a felon to own it ( other than to have a hand up on the police). If they have enemies so be it...they can always do something uniwque and follow the law...but then they wouldn't be felons iof they thought like that would they?
Look most those who were arrested were selling guns ILLEGALLY. I do not have to justify the law nor was that my point. Folks were suggesting that some how nice innocent gun sellers were being picked on by the ATF ( an organization I am not terribly fond of to begin with). But to suggest that arresting the bad guys is wrong just because it was done by the ATF is stupid beyond all belief. And the law is not a county law it is a federal law...came about after that nasty firefight in LA where two guys who had a felonious hiostory decided to put on armor and load up with firearms and rob a bank...perhaps you watched it on TV perhaps you didn't. It was horrific. I am not interested in defending the bad guys when they are in fact out to do harm to those who are the good guys
"What's your solution to elected officials who allow unprotected borders where Islamists can just walks in..?"
You know, B4Ranch, I wish I had one. I suppose we can vote them out of office. I wish some conservative TV or radio talk show host(s) would make this an issue. If I try to do so, I end up sounding like a racist nut instead of a rational person trying to protect our country.
I mean, if I was an Islamic terrorist, I wouldn't fly into a US airport. I'd just walk over from Mexico. I hope our FBI has figured it out. DOUBT IT!
As to what, how many, which calibers, of any if none that I own... I see nothing, know nothing, have no idea what your talking about!
#5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule.
Go down the page a bit and look for the red font to read the rest of them.
violent felons are not just some guys who have some how crossed the government and have become poltical prisoners.
>>And the law is not a county law it is a federal law...came about after that nasty firefight in LA where two guys who had a felonious hiostory decided to put on armor and load up with firearms and rob a bank...perhaps you watched it on TV perhaps you didn't. It was horrific.
The fact that the cops didn't have a simple deer rifle in their trunk was the problem. Ordinary 30-06 will penetrate most any vest. They just used this as an excuse for more of the kinds of militarized police forceds that have become the standing army our founders feared.
>>I am not interested in defending the bad guys when they are in fact out to do harm to those who are the good guys.
There is no evidence that these gun traders from cowboy country were "out to do harm."
Couldn't be Middle Eastern, that would be profiling then.
"People have the right to bear arms but not have banned or unregistered weapons."
Where in the 2nd Amendment does it say that you are not allowed to own an "Assault Weapon", machine gun, etc.? The 2nd Amendment superscedes all gun control/bans/laws making them unconstitutional.
I agree about Janet Reno, but your making the above statement only helps her cause. After all, gun control/bans/laws are violations of civil rights.
"Working with our state and local partners toward this endeavor will keep firearms out of the hands of criminals," Torres said."
If that were the case, then there would be no need for federal gun control/bans/laws.
Let's not forget all those that have a felony and have not been in trouble with the law since or those that have a nervous break down or depression and are "committed" to a hospital at some point in their life and have since had no problems. All these people have lost their ability to own firearms for self defense.
So what you are saying is that if my brother should not have body armor if he wishes? He has a non-violent felony on his record and has turned his life around in the last 5+ years. He is also not allowed to defend himself, his fiance or her daughter with a firearm. He lives near the worst part of town and that is only because that part has moved closer towards their home.
Like "assault weapons", this is not about need. It is about the right to have these things. Sure body armor is not a firearm, but it helps with defending your life. Isn't that part of the Declaration of Independence, "LIFE, liberty and the persuit of happiness". Body armor just helps to do that. Being stuck in that mind set of felons and those that have been "commited" for psycological reasons only plays to the liberals hand and reinforces what they are trying to do.
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If this was a rogue dealer, how would he have gotten such acclaim and customers, why would he not have been popped sooner? Also, here is what they had to say to a friend of theirs.
12 gauge slugs would have solved that problem in N. Hollywood. The fact that the bad guys with their full auto guns didn't kill anyone shows the low lethality of modern military arms with ball ammo, and the spray and pray mentality that comes with buzz guns. The fact that the cops had to borrow (illegally without filling out a form 4473 I might add) civillian arms with better penetration than their issue arms, shows the benefit of arms distributed among the populace. Of course, the DoD offloaded abunch of M16A1s to the LA standing army, so that won't happen again. Generals always fight the last war.
No you apparently don't read well...The federal law applies to VIOLENT felons...so your brother's case is irrelevant. You must live in downtown Baghdad or some other nefarious place ( like Bali) to need body armor and a fire arm to protect yourself.You have no understanding of the Declaration or the Constitution...might be helpful if you read and studied about them
Remember, these guys also got pretty active against citizens during the campaign season of 1992. Then Clinton got elected and it was open season for eight years.
"You must live in downtown Baghdad or some other nefarious place ( like Bali) to need body armor and a fire arm to protect yourself.You have no understanding of the Declaration or the Constitution...might be helpful if you read and studied about them"
Since when does either talk about need? Your comments only help the libs with their cause, "no one needs guns/body armor/SUVs", etc. I think you need to re-read/study them. As for applying to VIOLENT felons, it would be nothing to have them now move it to all felons, then to all criminals or even all citizens. After all, we don't "need" them.
I get the feeling that you also think that the AWB is fine and that citizens don't "need" them either. Let's just ban golf clubs, baseball bats, knives, cars, etc. After all, we don't really "need" them and so many have died because of them.
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