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OP-ED: Europe through American eyes —Hans Bergström
Daily Times ^ | Monday, May 24, 2004 | Hans Bergström

Posted on 05/23/2004 7:14:42 PM PDT by Eurotwit

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To: Mr. Mojo
"I think the Euros are beginning to comprehend just how much crap they've stepped in with their immigration policies, and it appears many have come to the conclusion that it's too late to do anything about it."

The few Europeans who have touched base with reality had better get the hell out before it's too late.

We must assume them to be a minority who have not succumbed to the rampant and massive brain-washing of Euro-trash left.

Can't you envision an oblivious Pierre and his friend Sven laughing, smoking and drinking at some outdoor cafe while Gay Par-ee is a smoldering hell-hole?

21 posted on 05/23/2004 9:00:00 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: swilhelm73
"Again though, how could anyone have known the French would help create communist rebels in their colonies, and then be unable to deal with them?"

The ONLY "rebels" the Frogs have been able to deal with in the last 100 years is 'GreenPeace.'

22 posted on 05/23/2004 9:02:29 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: F16Fighter

The European plan for dealing with Islamism is the same plan the Middle Eastern despots use.

Distract them with the situation in Israel.

Why do you think the Euros are allowing anti-Semitism to grow in their countries?


23 posted on 05/23/2004 9:04:56 PM PDT by swilhelm73
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To: swilhelm73
"Why do you think the Euros are allowing anti-Semitism to grow in their countries?"

Might the growing anti-semitism be the result of the Euro-balls already being severed by the overwhelming over-breeding, immigration, and political clout of the Islamic horde?

24 posted on 05/23/2004 9:14:18 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: Billthedrill

Communism didn't die when the wall went down, it started spreading more. It's all part of the NWO plan. Just look at the results of the end of the cold war, the UN membership is now 40% dicatatorship. It's a power grab by the oligopolists (multinational corps) and liberals are the stooges.


25 posted on 05/23/2004 9:24:45 PM PDT by John Lenin (Nothing is wrong with California that a rise in the ocean level wouldn't cure)
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To: Cicero
Unless things change, which is unlikely, there will be no Europe in 50 years.

Yes there will...but it'll be called Eurabia.

26 posted on 05/23/2004 9:27:04 PM PDT by AlaskaErik
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To: F16Fighter
Might the growing anti-semitism be the result of the Euro-balls already being severed by the overwhelming over-breeding, immigration, and political clout of the Islamic horde?

Nah, I think the French have always been anti-Semitic!

27 posted on 05/23/2004 9:27:36 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: AlaskaErik

No one will want to hear this but the only thing that will save us is to go back to our religious roots. If we don't start putting the family first again society is doomed.


28 posted on 05/23/2004 9:31:23 PM PDT by John Lenin (Nothing is wrong with California that a rise in the ocean level wouldn't cure)
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To: SuziQ
"The French have always been anti-Semitic!"

Who don't the French hate? (exceptions: the PLO and whores)

29 posted on 05/23/2004 9:33:20 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: F16Fighter

Anti-semitism is as old as the world. That's why there so few Jews. Jealousy is the most powerful negative force in the world.


30 posted on 05/23/2004 9:37:13 PM PDT by John Lenin (Nothing is wrong with California that a rise in the ocean level wouldn't cure)
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To: Eurotwit

I have a few European friends, and and as individuals my friends are really nice people. In general though, I've pondered what Americans, specifically American conservatives, admire about Europeans.

Not much, of substance anyway. There is good beer there, and terrific cheese, great bread, and of course lovely wine....the alps are gorgeous. All in all a lovely climate. Some great castles there--Germany builds great cars, and the French and Italians have lots of cutting edge style.

However of continental Europeans themselves, since WWI and II, I really can't say there's anything particular in character to admire. I do admire generally (though not as much as earlier) the work ethic of the Germans...but really, honestly, other than that, I can't say what, in terms of inner points of character to admire about Europeans.

I'm not sure the Euros know the fact that we as Americans by and large, other than consumables and cars, simply respect and admire them very little.


31 posted on 05/23/2004 9:44:02 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: AnalogReigns

I'm tired of hearing liberals tell us that the world hates us and we should be worried. It's the world that should be worried if Americans start hating them back.


32 posted on 05/23/2004 9:47:11 PM PDT by John Lenin (Nothing is wrong with California that a rise in the ocean level wouldn't cure)
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To: John Lenin

You are 100% correct. The USA needs Europe like we need France to help us in Iraq.


33 posted on 05/23/2004 9:53:24 PM PDT by datura (Let's drop the pretense. It's time to declare this a CRUSADE and finish it once and for all.)
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To: datura

We have the best military the EU can offer, the Britts, evertime I hear Kerry talk about our allies, I am wondering who the hell he is talking about. The Mullahs ?


34 posted on 05/23/2004 9:58:13 PM PDT by John Lenin (Nothing is wrong with California that a rise in the ocean level wouldn't cure)
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To: John Lenin
I quite agree with you about the European preference for a society subservient to a heavy-handed bureaucracy, but it's older than communism. That its opposite came into fruition through Europe's expatriots and rejects in the form of the United States is perhaps no surprise; that it was the latter, and not the former, that resulted in the sort of world power wielded by its President is ironic and breathtaking. But therein lie the seeds of a certain bitterness - many Europeans feel that through the hard test of time they possess the governmental model most adept at administering the sort of power they do not possess, and that those who do possess that power are incapable of doing justice to the privilege.

It's a point of view that seems odd to many Americans, who are neither cognizant of the power nor care a great deal for it. I think it is better for the world that we are remarkably inefficient administrators of an empire we don't really want - the world, by now, has had its fill of empires and imperial councils and is ready for something else. The problem is that we have no idea what that is; that we're feeling our way through this and making it up as we go along, and worst of all, we admit it. That offends certain European sensibilities, and perhaps it should, for it gives them the impression that their fate is in the hands of fools. I understand a certain resentment there.

But here we are - Europe will either succeed in forming an extranational entity or it will not, it will either solve its chronic demographic, economic, and military problems, or it will not, and it really is up to them. Freedom to succeed is also the freedom to starve - it's a scary old world out there.

35 posted on 05/23/2004 10:09:56 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill

The EU is on a suicide mission, they are inviiting a culture into their country that is diametrically opposed to their lifestyle. It's not like Muslims in Europe are adopting Western culture, for all the talk about their intellectual superiority they lack the most basic necessity for their own survial, common sense.


36 posted on 05/23/2004 10:14:52 PM PDT by John Lenin (Nothing is wrong with California that a rise in the ocean level wouldn't cure)
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To: F16Fighter
Who don't the French hate? (exceptions: the PLO and whores)

That's an awful thing to say about whores.

37 posted on 05/23/2004 11:37:00 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Am Yisrael Chai!)
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To: AnalogReigns

Dont worry. Its quite obvious to most people.


38 posted on 05/24/2004 2:37:36 AM PDT by Scots Graham
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To: Scots Graham

Most Americans I have met are quite open about their opinions of Europe. At least it is hard to believe that they were holding anything back


39 posted on 05/24/2004 2:49:30 AM PDT by Scots Graham
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To: Billthedrill
I found your comments and insights in posts # 17 and #35 really interesting. Thanks.

I was talking about German press coverage earlier this AM over on another thread. I may link answers to that post to your posts over here. I would never have thought of your expalnation, and they do fit the situation well.

longjack

40 posted on 05/24/2004 3:12:35 AM PDT by longjack
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