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To: tame
I assume you would give the same advice to the Jews in Nazi Germany.

Oh please. Nobody is going around exterminating Christians. I think I'm done discussing with you, it's getting too ridiculous.

207 posted on 05/26/2004 6:05:08 AM PDT by BSunday (If you're not right, you're wrong.)
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To: BSunday; tame
I assume you would give the same advice to the Jews in Nazi Germany.

Oh please. Nobody is going around exterminating Christians.

Again, what planet are you on? Christians are regularly murdered in many parts of the world. It's not happening here YET but the writing's on the wall -- just as it was in Germany before the Holocaust. It did NOT come as a surprise; many Jews saw the signs and ran, instead of staying behind and waiting to get slaughtered.

209 posted on 05/26/2004 8:22:44 AM PDT by Rytwyng (we're here, we're Huguenots, get used to us)
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To: BSunday; Rytwyng; All
Guess what ? We don't live in Old Testament times anymore.

That's a naive statement on biblical interpretation. Very generally speaking, there are two views of biblical interpretation regarding the applicability of the Old Testament:

1) The assumption that anything not specifically reiterated in the New Testament is no longer binding, i.e., the Sunday Sabbath, etc. This is generally a Dispensational hermenuetic.

2) the presupposition that certain Old Testament propositions are still in effect unless specifically abrogated in the New Testament, i.e., certain moral laws and civil laws (but not certain ceremonial laws which were specifically abrogated in the New Testament). This is generally a theonomic leaning covenantal hermeneutic.

Although there are varying degrees of both, I would not assume #1 to be necessarily true. Therefore, it is not legitimate to dismiss something by simply because "that's in the Old Testament."

Also, although I do not totally agree with either the dispensationalists or the covenental theonomists, I still recoccomend the following for more info:

I highly recommend that Christians who are interested in the distinctions I just explained and the whole concept of a new Christian Nation should go to a web site called cmfnow.com (or cmfnow.org?) and check out some books and taped lectures by Greg Bahnsen (see his book "Theonomy and it's critics"). There are also debates such as one between dispensationalist Thomas Ice (?I think?) and convenant theologian Kenneth Gentry.

Also, BSunday, regarding your comment that no one is murdering Christians today (in America). This is false. There are literally millions of unborn babies beng murdered today by the will of the despotic, unelected Supreme Court. (Jesus said that we must be like one of these little children).

And, BSunday, you never answered the question as to why the American Revolution was justified anymore than secession would be justified today. It is no answer at all to simply respond by stating, in effect, "Well, that was different". After all, a diffirence that makes absolutely no difference is in fact no difference at all.

215 posted on 05/26/2004 4:56:56 PM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: BSunday
Nobody is going around exterminating Christians

Not in this country, but certainly in many, many others.

220 posted on 05/27/2004 1:47:22 AM PDT by MarMema (“The church is a very narrow stream of clean water.” Aleksandr Shargunov)
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