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To: tame
Even with the mess the U.S. is in right now, if we could re-establish consent of the governed, we would be on the road to recovery again. The problem is that unelected and unaccountable judges are ruling us. We have no say. All I want is a system that works again. I want my vote to matter again. I want speech to be free again -- not free in the sense that pornography is legal -- free in the sense that the government can't tell me what, when, and where I can comment on the next election, no matter how much money I spend. Let the voter beware just like you let the buyer beware. No more control from the government.

No more excessive taxation either. If people want a nanny state they can stay in the United States of Sodom and Gommorah.

I want the responsibility and liberty to be of equal concern. Liberty should not be thought of as "taking liberties" as it is "freely acting responsibly without government interference." But saying "who defines morality" should be against the law. God defines morality.

249 posted on 05/28/2004 7:28:35 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past; All
But saying "who defines morality" should be against the law. God defines morality.

That very sentence is a relativistic sentence. Think about it. It's like saying "you should not say you should not." The proposition is self contradictory.

In other words, make it against the law for someone to define morality, then that very law itself is based upon morality (some moral belief) that you hold. Therefore, in the process of making the law against defining morality, you are defining morality!

It's basically saying "it's immoral to define what is immoral."

That's contradictory. So you wind up with the very relativism you first meant to avoid.

There are many good books on this subject including "RELATIVISM: FEET FIRMLY PLANTED IN MID AIR" by Dr. Frank Beckwith and Greg Koukl. See also, "CHRISTIAN ETHICS" as well as "CHRISTIAN APOLOGETICS" both by Dr. Norman Geisler. You might also want to check out "THAT'S JUST YOUR INTERPRETATION" by Paul Copan.

255 posted on 05/29/2004 2:03:55 AM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
God defines morality.

That is correct...and more specifically the God of Christianity defines morality. So we may as well have a Christian nation that basis laws on that very fact.

256 posted on 05/29/2004 2:05:47 AM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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