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The secular institutions are there to prevent tyranny of the majority

Are you kidding?!? Secular humanism has led to rampant tyranny over Christians. The A.C.L.U. is crushing religious liberty. Secularism is no less a worldview/religion than Christianity. The secularists are at least as dogmatic and aegenda driven as any any Christian statist I know of.

We forget that tyranny of the majority is what caused our religious forefathers to move to the New World in the first place!

Christianity is not the cause of tyranny. At worse, it is the very distortion of Christian principles that has led to problems. Make no mistake about it. Atheism has been the underlying assumption of most of the genocidal tyrants of the world (Stalin, etc.).

I wonder if this new christian nation would be tolerant of Mormon citizens exercising their religion?

If you are refering to the Christian Nation I propose, then the answer is yes. Anyone should be allowed to believe whatever they want, and practice their faith (except for folks who want to harm others in the process). Christian principles provide the best safeguard for this, as opposed to, say, the secularists who are hell bent on crushing religious liberty and persecuting Christians.

Our founding fathers promoted Christianity (yes, specifically) while also promoting religious liberty. This is what we need to return to, and this is what we would do in a Christian nation.

A Secular nation is the only one that can allow the expression of seperate faiths.

Wrong. The former Soviet Union, communist China, etc., were "secular nations". Those "secular" nations hardly allowed for "expression of faiths". The secularization of societies, the removal of God, undermines the very basis for human rights as human rights are impossible to even define cogently without God.

There are too many examples to count in the world today that prove that point.

You mean like the millions upon millions persecuted and murdered by the likes of those secularists Stalin, Mao, etc., etc.? Christians look to form 'new nation' within U.S.

A christian nation would have policies on, say, the teaching of evolution, that would not allow differing interests.

To the contrary, the secular nation now has policies on the origins of the universe, evolution, etc., that do not allow "differing interests." The Secularists are the problem, not the solution. Many reasonable laws (regarding equal time school for different views on the origins of the universe) have been struck down by these secularists who are supposed to be more fair.

It's absurd to think that secularism in America today protects religious liberty. The secularists have an absolute monopoly on our public classrooms, and just about every other area of our public life ("take God out of the Pledge of allegiance"). This increasingly secularized nation seeks to censor out all opposing viewpoints.

But the A.C.L.U. would applaud your impression of the situation.

There are so many other examples - just look at the number of different christian faiths.......which one would be the basis of this christian state?

There is one Christian faith. There are many Christian denominations. Differences within a worldview are hardly unique to Christianity. Every world view (inlcuding secularism) has differences in the particulars. That hardly means you can't reach a consensus on general truths to be put in the constitution.

The founding fathers did it. The Christian Nation would be far closer to the form of Government are founding fathers developed than the secularized America we have today.

In short, The constitution of a Christian Nation as I imagine it would be very close to the U.S. constitution but more specific in terms of protecting the unborn, defining marriage as between a man and a woman, more explicit protections of religious liberty (while encouraging religion), civil rights which cannot be interpreted to lead to quotas and preferences, etc.

More specific to your questions, I will probably write up a proposed set of amendments for a Christian Constitution. You will see some differences to be sure, but a lot will be very similar to the U.S. constitution.

272 posted on 05/31/2004 12:20:16 AM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: tame

"In short, The constitution of a Christian Nation as I imagine it would be very close to the U.S. constitution but more specific in terms of protecting the unborn, defining marriage as between a man and a woman, more explicit protections of religious liberty (while encouraging religion), civil rights which cannot be interpreted to lead to quotas and preferences, etc."

This is really the crux of the argument then, isn't it? My point is that you have the ability to change our constitution to mirror your goals. It's not easy, but it can be done. Instead, you propose the impossible path of secession, making the reforms you suggest (and that I don't necessarily disagree with) also impossible.

Secularism doesn't HAVE to be the perverted and convoluted concept we have today. It is so because we have allowed it to become this - what makes you so sure you can prevent it from happening in this hypothetical new christian nation?

Plain and simple what you have is a political platform, not a secessionist agenda. The changes you seek need to be implemented in the political context so that the greater moral goals can be achieved. Any other path will lead to ridicule and more perverted secularism - surely you can see that?

BTW- minor commments or your comments....of COURSE Christianity does not equal tyranny. tyranny is the domain of men, some of whom historically have used faith to further their aims.


273 posted on 05/31/2004 7:01:30 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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