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Behold the Face of Islam
Chron Watch ^ | 24 May 2004 | Barbara Stock

Posted on 05/24/2004 7:26:37 AM PDT by Lando Lincoln

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To: Woahhs

Useful questions, he said, might include: Do you condone or condemn those who give up their lives to kill enemy civilians? Will you condemn the likes of al Qaeda, Hamas, and Hezbollah by name as terrorist groups? Is jihad, meaning a form of warfare, acceptable in today's world? Do you accept the validity of other religions? Should non-Muslims enjoy completely equal civil rights with Muslims? Do you accept the legitimacy of scholarly inquiry into the origins of Islam? Who was responsible for the 9/11 attacks? Do you accept that institutions that fund terrorism should be shut down?


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61 posted on 05/24/2004 9:28:57 AM PDT by Woahhs (Gray area = black and white + lots of "spin")
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To: philosofy123
Christians made so many attempts in the past to do the same

The key here is "in the past" and it is a long ago past and it is not part of Christian Belief. It is nowhere in the Gospels and the OT "genocide" was limited to specified groups in a specified location. With Islam the genocide is in the Koran. It is universal for non-Mohammedans and it is in practice now as it was in the 7th-17th centuries.

62 posted on 05/24/2004 9:29:05 AM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
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To: steve8714

Of course it can. Haven't you heard it's Ameicans with traditional values that are the Enemy. Not even this evil will break the mindset of the Fascist/socialist/commie/evil dums and their fellow trevelers.


63 posted on 05/24/2004 9:50:29 AM PDT by marty60
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To: Bahbah

I have great difficulty with it, too.
In fact, I have given up the struggle against experienc-based bigotry.
In my book, there are two types of good Muslims: LAPSED, or dead.

I can no longer force myself to believe that any devout Muslim is "moderate"... or even CAN be.


64 posted on 05/24/2004 10:17:03 AM PDT by King Prout (the difference between "trained intellect" and "indoctrinated intellectual" is an Abyssal gulf)
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To: Sabertooth

a minor point of correction:
a radical is one who strives to go to/embody the roots (latin: radix = root).

from a strict etymological standpoint, islamicists are the true radicals.

from a worldly standpoint, practicing and devout Muslims seem to all be radicals.

from a lgical standpoint, this would seem to indicate that all practicing and devout Muslims are islamicists, and thus terrorists-in-waiting.

Enemies. In an openly declared war. Which has lasted for 1400 years.

The logic of this sequence is unimpeachable.
What does logic dictate one should do with such enemies?


As for the rest:
Yes, true: People who identify themselves as Muslim, but who are in truth moderate, are indeed apostates and heretics - not true Muslims. Such people do exist, though they are damned difficult to winnow from the chaff of their radical bretheren who simply play nice and live in stealth until moved to strike.


65 posted on 05/24/2004 10:25:54 AM PDT by King Prout (the difference between "trained intellect" and "indoctrinated intellectual" is an Abyssal gulf)
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To: arthurus

You are correct, in the distant past. However, in the present, most evangelicals are still hoping to convert the jews from their "lost " way, and save them! Their basic support for Israel is hinged on the fact that it will bring Jesus back, and will enable them to convert all the Jews to Christianity.


66 posted on 05/24/2004 11:02:04 AM PDT by philosofy123
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To: wisconsinconservative

save for later


67 posted on 05/24/2004 11:10:41 AM PDT by wisconsinconservative ("The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.")
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To: Lando Lincoln
As clearly stated above by this Muslim, who was educated in America but living in England, the death of all Jews is carved in stone by Allah.

This clearly shows Allah is a false God. God would not wish the annihilation of his chosen people the Jews. Islam is a religion of hate, death and destruction, moderate or otherwise.

Red

68 posted on 05/24/2004 11:17:24 AM PDT by Conservative4Ever (watch this space for future tag line...)
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To: BSunday
Prior to that time anti-Semitism will become a virtue not a stigma!…Tell it to Hitler, @$$hole.

The similarity in the thought process is apparent, isn’t it. The author could use this quote interchangibly.

One must either affirm or reject anti-Semitism. He who defends the Jews harms his own people. One can only be a Jewish lackey or a Jewish opponent. Opposing the Jews is a matter of personal hygiene.
Joseph Goebbels
The Jew, Der Angriff, 1/21/29

69 posted on 05/24/2004 11:20:37 AM PDT by SJackson (Strength of the prophets of Israel...proclaimed the Truth when everything was against it, A. Malraux)
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To: SJackson

Yes, it's both apparent and chilling. That quote is amazing.


70 posted on 05/24/2004 11:28:37 AM PDT by BSunday
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Just think of all the violent criminals that have been converted to Islam in American prisons...

Probably the fastest growing segment of the Muslim population in America...convicted criminals...and their spouses, significant others, offspring, etc.

71 posted on 05/24/2004 12:00:12 PM PDT by nfldgirl
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To: philosofy123

Here's the important difference; Christians seek to convert using irritating kids on bikes, while Muslims seek to convert using a knife to the throat.


72 posted on 05/24/2004 12:12:50 PM PDT by steve8714
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To: philosofy123
Why not simply do your thing, and forget what the other guy believes in?

"Live and let live" is a western, liberal (classic) concept. It is foreign to Islam, and was only raised to a status of core principle on the world stage with the advent of America.

73 posted on 05/24/2004 12:45:50 PM PDT by Woahhs (Gray area = black and white + lots of "spin")
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To: philosofy123
However, in the present, most evangelicals are still hoping to convert the jews from their "lost " way, and save them! Their basic support for Israel is hinged on the fact that it will bring Jesus back, and will enable them to convert all the Jews to Christianity.

In a strict sense, you are correct. Nevertheless, you haven't demonstrated why that's a problem. (Granted, the Jews might not appreciate it, but their lack of appreciation doesn't change the equation.) Either the Evangelicals are correct, or they are not; either way their support of the Jews cannot be withdrawn without repudiating their theology.

74 posted on 05/24/2004 12:57:10 PM PDT by Woahhs (Gray area = black and white + lots of "spin")
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To: philosofy123

You misunderstood.There are missionaries and the rest tend to feel a little inadequate because they aren't missionaries themselves,i.e. they do not go to the foreign missions,etc. That is to compare it with the Moslem moderates, the ones who do not participate in jihad. Missionary work is the higher calling for evangelicals. Jihad is the higher calling for Moslems. The comparison is to demonstrate why it is that the moderate moslems do not condemn the jihadists.


75 posted on 05/24/2004 12:58:34 PM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
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To: arthurus
The comparison is to demonstrate why it is that the moderate moslems do not condemn the jihadists.

It would seem a very fitting analogy.

I wonder, would you have any information on what evidence the moslems use to predicate their assertion that Judaism and Christianity have "strayed" from the path? It would seem to me in order to make such a claim valid, they would have to produce documentation showing a period or doctrine where both religions were more islam-like at some point prior to the seventh century and the rise of islam.

76 posted on 05/24/2004 1:07:51 PM PDT by Woahhs (Gray area = black and white + lots of "spin")
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To: Lando Lincoln
I don't believe a word ANY muslim says since it seems to be OK with them to lie and cheat non-muslims.

Screw 'em all.

77 posted on 05/24/2004 1:12:11 PM PDT by Looking4Truth ((Muslim internment camps in the U.S. NOW!!!))
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To: Capt. Tom
Madsen, a Washington-based writer and columnist, who often writes for Counterpunch, says that people close to the pope claim that amid these concerns, the pontiff wishes he was younger and in better health to confront the possibility that Bush may represent the person prophesized in Revelations.

First of all, it's the "Book of Revelation" not Revelations(s).

We are now facing the final confrontation between the church and the anti-Church, of the Gospel versus the anti-Gospel."

Secondly, In Revelation, there is no anti - Church or anti - Gospel. The Pope should catch up on his reading.

The rest is such nonsense, (Bush or Clinton for that matter is the anti christ) , it's not worthy of a response.

78 posted on 05/24/2004 1:24:34 PM PDT by JZoback
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To: Mean Maryjean

Years ago, when I first heard of Muslim conversion taking place in prisons, I thought it was a great idea. Boy, did I dial the wrong number.

The biggest problem we have is trying to find a way to keep ourselves secure without sounding like racists :-(


79 posted on 05/24/2004 2:31:02 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Torrance Ca....land of the flying monkeys)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
The biggest problem we have is trying to find a way to keep ourselves secure without sounding like racists :-(

If you even care, you've lost already.

80 posted on 05/24/2004 2:39:09 PM PDT by Woahhs (Gray area = black and white + lots of "spin")
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