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McCain was so savaged by the Bush machine in 2000, he's now damaged goods. What happend to him is the same thing that happened to Bob Dole in '96. Phil Gramm, Steve Forbes and Pat Buchanan so savaged him in the primary, he was mortally wounded by time it came time to take on Clinton.

That's one way to look at it. No Republican had a chance in 1996... Clinton was too popular. I always thought that the 96 primaries were more to let a few old time GOPers have their day in the sun before being put out to retirement. None of them really had a chance in Hades to defeat Clinton.

Clinton was too popular. I always thought that the 96 primaries were more to let a few old time GOPers have their day in the sun before being put out to retirement. None of them really had a chance in Hades to defeat Clinton.

Clinton popular? Just two years earlier, he sufferred one of the largest congressional setbacks that any president incurred. My dog could have beat him.

Two things killed Dole. One was the savage primary he went through (comapre that to this years dem primary where they jousted each other with kid gloves for the most part).And conservatives overplayed their hand once they won the congress.