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March 23 Update: The US Fish and Wildlife Service has announced that it will conduct a review of the status of the Pacific Coast population of the western snowy plover. This review is to determine if the species should be "de-listed" from the federal list of threatened species. What does that mean for OPRD's plans?
1 posted on 05/25/2004 6:09:55 AM PDT by Mr.Atos
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Note that for the entire spring and summer (seasonally speaking), March 15 to September 15, no dogs will be allowed on the beach... in addition to Kite flying and many other assorted activities.


2 posted on 05/25/2004 6:13:11 AM PDT by Mr.Atos
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Means lawsuit city for the USFWS if they attempt to delist and interfere with OPRD's socialist plans.


3 posted on 05/25/2004 6:13:32 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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Can't someone come up with an epidemic that affects only snowy plovers and is 100% lethal?


4 posted on 05/25/2004 6:15:00 AM PDT by ThanhPhero (Ong lam hanh huong di La Vang)
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Doesn't mean a thing to those plans. Those folks don't care about the status of the snowy plover except as it may provide an excuse to close off more land to human use other than their own.


5 posted on 05/25/2004 6:16:49 AM PDT by ThanhPhero (Ong lam hanh huong di La Vang)
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To: Mr.Atos

I'm headed for the Oregon coast this weekend, while I still can....


7 posted on 05/25/2004 6:17:21 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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"We tell the story of how forward-thinking Oregonians have kept the beaches in public hands, safe from private ownership and development."

Very telling comment in the lead paragraph. "Forward thinking" and "safe from private ownership" shows their socialist mindset right off the bat.


8 posted on 05/25/2004 6:22:33 AM PDT by CSM (Vote Kerry! Boil the Frog! Speed up the 2nd Revolution! (Be like Spain! At least they're honest))
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To: Mr.Atos; sasquatch

I published a prediction on this beach taking for plovers three years ago. It was obvious. Snowy plovers nest from Washington to Mexico. The theory goes that if they are scarce in one place that they are "locally endangered." There is no support for this in the ESA.

For the FWS to list a local population, they must have designated it to be an Evolutionarily Significant Unit. That means that they are genetically distinct, isolated, and significant to species survival; it can't be just one of those; it has to be all three. Of course, the definition of what is "significant to species survival" is entirely up to the local bureaucrats and their dependent scientists. Anyone who would have a contrary opinion and supporting data is usually systematically frozen out of the process.


14 posted on 05/25/2004 6:45:59 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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What does that mean for OPRD's plans?

I am not familiar with Oregon law but if it's anything like California's then it only means that if the Feds delist a source of money dries up.

16 posted on 05/25/2004 6:47:56 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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Just noticed THIS...!!!

"Q11.What else can be done besides curtailing people’s activities and enjoyment?

Controlling predators (such as crows, ravens, foxes) and invasive plants (European beachgrass) are extremely important to the survival of the plover. State and federal agencies are already monitoring broods and nests, and in some places, erecting fences to keep predators out. Public education helps, as do signs, volunteer patrols and law enforcement. European beachgrass is a chronic problem. This non-native plant takes over the open beach that plovers need; it spreads rapidly, and offers cover for predators. [Back to questions]

22 posted on 05/25/2004 7:44:05 AM PDT by goodnesswins (Countries around the world are ALIENATING ME...an American!)
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To: Mr.Atos

And the snowy plover is important to protect why?


23 posted on 05/25/2004 7:44:18 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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...one word...Barbeque.


25 posted on 05/25/2004 8:55:47 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :)
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The enviorwackos are after us again, aren't they?


27 posted on 05/25/2004 9:16:45 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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