Posted on 05/25/2004 8:27:49 AM PDT by wmichgrad
Tonight, petitions could stall Muslim prayer call
http://www.freep.com/news/locway/call25_20040525.htm
The arguments, like those expressed Monday by Hamtramck resident Caroline Zarski, 81, often seem paradoxical.
"I'm a Christian Catholic. I practice my own religion," Zarski said. "I don't want to listen to them."
Zarski said she lives near two of the city's three mosques and is likely to be within earshot of the calls to prayer.
"This is a melting pot. We all become Americans," she said, adding, "What they're trying to do is make us assimilate into their culture."
-The problem I have with these types of arguments is that Christians are called to preach the Gospels and to covert non-believers and have been doing so for 2000 years. I fail to see how listening to the call to prayer is trying to convert anyone to become a Muslim. These arguments smack of intolerance and violate people's rights to freedom of religion and freedom of speech. The only legitimate basis for opposition is the noise issue.
If they want to call people, let them use the phone.
For any infidel who's spent a night in a Moslem country this is an issue. One of the call times is 4AM. And it's LOUD.
the prayer call is saying allah akbar or whatever they yelled when they killed nick berg. it isn't the same as a bell - it is the actual prayer being recited. we should not have to listen to a muslim prayer over a loudspeaker. they are the enemy.
The noise issue should be sufficient to stop this. Would Christian churches be permitted to ring bells five times a day starting at 5am ? No, they would not. Just maybe inflexible islam needs to adapt to the host culture.
The first call would not be allowed to be broadcast before 6AM.
It's hard to drag people all the way from the 12th century into the 21st.
You ain't kidding!
Oh, that's so much better. Just what I would want to be woken up to 6 AM on a Saturday morning.
My 4AM call to prayer is a screaming guitar rift...
I concur... you most certainly fail to see.
First, people in this country are justifiably intolerant of this "religion" at this juncture in American history.
Second, how is the Muslim freedom of religion violated by the government because local people object to the wailing moans coming out of those loudspeakers? It sounds like you think that local determination of noise ordinances are improper.
Third, how does this impact on the government regulation of free speech?
I doubt that. What ever became of the separation clause? If the city does it for one, it has to do it for all religions. Did I miss something?
Bells are prettier, plus the added bonus that one doesn't have to hear all that caterwauling to Allah
If they want to broadcast the call to prayer to Allah, they could just as easily distribute to all of their faithful little radios (like the weather alert radios) that come to live and broadcast when activated. So every believer in the god of the black rock could hear it at home as loud as he or she likes, but the neighbors could sleep the sleep of the just undisturbed.
The NOISE issue was used successfully in areas where CHURCH BELLS, once a common occurance on Sunday, have since been banned. Our heritage is slowly being discarded and soon it will all be just......history.
No muslim calls to prayer period. If they want that crap they can move to the middle east.
It is not a "call to prayer" - It is arabic and basically says:
Allah is most great
I bear witness that there is no God but Allah
I bear witness that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah
Hasten to prayer, Hasten to success
Allah is most Great
You infidel dogs will learn... There is no god but (the One) Allah
I love using liberal-"logic" against them. Use Separation of Church and State here: if the prayer calls can be heard in a school, they are illegal!
I decree that no Muslim prayer calls' soundwaves may travel within 1000 feet of any school! *devilish grin*
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