Jayna Davis: OKC and WTC Bombers Met in Philippines

NewsMax ^ | 5/27/04 | Carl Limbacher

[Atlas Sneezed]

But I succeeded in getting your attention.

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So does road-kill.

But that is little to be proud of.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Where did you hear any such thing on Free Republic? Or anywhere else?

[Atlas Sneezed]

McVeigh said his favorite book was John Ross's "Unintended Consequences"

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From John Ross' FAQ http://john-ross.net/u_c_faq.htm:

Q: Did you read in American Terrorist about how Timothy McVeigh read Unintended Consequences in prison and said if he had read it sooner, he wouldn’t have blown up the OKC federal building? What did you think of that?

A: Yes, I read that. First of all, authors have no control over who decides to admire their work. Remember that when the FBI searched Unabomber Ted Kaczinski’s shack (after his brother turned him in), they found only a handful of personal items and just a single, well-read book. What was the one title that the Unabomber felt was so important it was his only reading material? Earth in the Balance, by Al Gore.

Second, it would have been a real trick for McVeigh to have read UC before the bombing, given that I didn’t finish writing it until five months after April 19. In fact, the characters in the book discuss McVeigh and the odd elements of the OKC bombing on pages 580-583.

Third, it strikes me that anyone sitting in prison awaiting execution might well wish he hadn’t done the deed that put him there, especially since the political results of the bombing were the exact opposite of what McVeigh claimed he had hoped to accomplish.

Lastly, when I read McVeigh’s comment, I couldn’t help wondering what would have happened if I had written UC a year earlier. If McVeigh had read it and spared the innocent lives killed when the Murrah building collapsed, then the Clintons (according to most political analysts) would have had only four years in the White House. If the Clintons had been sent back to Arkansas in 1996, morale (and morality) at the FBI might well have returned, and in any event the Bureau wouldn’t have spent so much of its resources investigating the OKC bombing, the President’s perjury, allegations of rape, and so on. With more manpower available and renewed morale, the FBI would probably have discovered more Islamic terrorist cells, and acted on the intelligence that they actually did gather in advance about the September 11 hijackers, instead of ignoring it. ("Arabs at U.S flight schools who don’t care about learning how to take off or land, just maneuvering? Why are you bothering me with that?") With the September 11 attacks stopped before they happened, the World Trade Center would still be standing, there would have been no war with Afghanistan, arguably no war with Iraq, and the Dow-Jones Industrial Average would be 3000 points higher than it is currently. You can play "what if" games all day long.

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[null and void]

From the prosecution's point of view: absolutely unnecessary for a conviction. They had plenty of evidence to prove he did it.

From the defense's point of view: this would not help their case one bit.

Good point.

Also, come to think of it, if the prosecution had brought it up, the defense could potentially use it to sow doubt into the jury's mind. As in this case is based on the government's paranoid fantasy of Aaaaarab terrorists using a man they claim is a white Soooopremisist, to attack an FBI office in middle America!!!

[Labyrinthos]

"Sources close to the defense have told me, and this comes from recorded conversations with his wife, Lana Padilla, that Terry Nichols is going to remain clammed up for the rest of his natural days on earth," Davis told Batchelor.

This is the first that I've heard that Nichols' wife is named "Padilla." What is the relationship if any between her and "Jose Padilla a/k/a John Doe 2?"

[Poohbah]

Read William Pierce's and Tom Metzger's comments on 9/11.

Arabs and white supremacists are actually quite congenial to one another.

Incidentally, a fair number of former Waffen-SS types gravitated to the lands of Araby in the 1950s to fight against Israel; some even converted to Islam.

[null and void]

All the defense has to do is inject a 'shadow of doubt' into one juror's mind.

Truth has little to do with it.

If the glove don't fit, you must acquit!

(Blood shrinks as it dries, the better to bring the edges of a wound together, and it would be difficult to put unshrunken gloves on over rubber gloves. If he had been able to get them on, we'd know the 'real murderer' was someone with much larger hands...)

[Poohbah]

All the defense has to do is inject a 'shadow of doubt' into one juror's mind.

Bzzt. The standard is "reasonable doubt," not a "shadow of doubt."

[null and void]

In Capital Murder?

[Poohbah]

In ALL criminal cases, capital murder included, the standard is "reasonable doubt." In civil cases, the standard is "preponderance of the evidence."

[MEG33]

I did not question Bayourod because his statement was too far out to even comprehend....Am I aware that there are hate the government 2nd amendment supporters?...Yes..Have I ever seen a hint ON THIS FORUM...that anyone approved of Nichols or Mc Veigh..NO!...I was not here during the trials,conspiracy theories,etc....

I do not agree that McVeigh would have EVER disclosed anything that helped an investigation..He hated the government too much to ever cooperate..He is a mass murdering,bitter,twisted baby killer ...no conscience. He was proud of his work!

There are many here bitter over Waco...none of them on this forum blew up a building or suggested it was a good thing.

[null and void]

OK. That probably worked better when school children were taught to reason, not just regurgitate...

[Poohbah]

Am I aware that there are hate the government 2nd amendment supporters?...Yes..Have I ever seen a hint ON THIS FORUM...that anyone approved of Nichols or Mc Veigh..NO!...

You've missed them, thanks to the Mods. I flamed one (now-banned) guy to an itty-bitty crisp right around the time McVeigh was executed. He was going on about how McVeigh was a "true hero" and "had more courage than the people posting on Free Republic."

[MEG33]

There are people who believe a lot of things that I do that support methods and means I find abhorrent...There are always nuts and extremists around...


On a forum some are seeking to shock, some want to discredit this forum, some are sincere but nasty, harmless cranks.

It's the haters, some paranoiac, with a taste for glory and blowing things up I worry about....I am a Christian and anti abortion...but do not believe it is right to murder a doctor or bomb a clinic...

[45Auto]

"The average gun enthusiast understands that the 2nd Amendment is no different than any other part of the Constitution; subject to the same changing political, cultural, and technological influences."

You need to explain this a little more clearly; the Founders who wrote the Bill of Rights certainly may have had a little different view of what an armed citizenry was all about.

[MEG33]

I missed the "courage" of McVeigh poster..I guess he believed suicide bombers are even more courageous..Gag. The sicko must have really admired the courage of the jihadists on 911....

I think about firemen going up the stairs of the WTC as it was being evacuated and their calmness saving lives...That is courage. I think about patrolling the streets of Baghdad or Najaf...that is courage.

[Poohbah]

Try this on for size. Read my reply here for my take on that scumbag. Good Googly Moogly, WTF do these Clymers come from?

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[american spirit]

For Mr. Bayourod's sake and any other dimbulbs who question those folks wanting to protect the 2nd Amend. at all costs, I suggest they look at the website created by: Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (www.jpfo.org). In their site they've posted info on the worst gov't. engineered genocides in this century, resulting in the deaths of tens of millions of people (Russia, Germany, Cambodia, etc.) and in every case major gun control and confiscation initiatives were in effect prior to mayhem perpetrated on unsuspecting citizens. That's why knowledgeable Americans are so adamant about gun rights.

[MEG33]

That poster is sick, sick, sick!..

I just had a conversation yesterday with one who believes all are conspiracies (I knew where he was coming from so I said"Where is flt.77?)

I've read all that stuff ,the explosive charges, missile, no way the planes took the WTC down and the replies to the "expert opinions"...Some of it is just plain old sick fear, absolute belief of all things not being as they seem...EVER... if the government has anything to do with the investigation...

The Toronto Star had an article buying into this ..That French conspiracy author is touring and so more will come about 911. Sick...sick...sick..