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To: DonaldDuke
No. Not ignorant. I just don't care. It was 60 years ago.

Keep in mind the allies of the German Nazis. The Russians, Japanese, Italians, etc etc. If your not willing to condemn Germany, Italy and Japan at this point, why would you try to connect Islam. It's a waste of time and it generates much more backlash than it moves the argument forward.

34 posted on 05/30/2004 2:38:37 PM PDT by tbeatty (On ANWR: "Why should I care about a Caribou I'm never gonna eat?")
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To: tbeatty
If your not willing to condemn Germany, Italy and Japan at this point, why would you try to connect Islam.

I am more than willing to condemn the recidivist leanings of today's Germany. They certainly exist, as does the Nazi leanings of France (which recently admitted to having tried to supply Saddam Hussein with nuclear weapons for use against Israel).

Islam does not deserve a free pass. There is an unbroken historical line from that mufti to current muslim policies to eradicate the Jews, and the muslims are the only people actually depraved enough to invoke Hitler's name as a blessing.

Maybe you should care a little more about history, before it repeats itself with you en route to an oven.

37 posted on 05/30/2004 3:02:56 PM PDT by DonaldDuke
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To: tbeatty

try this on for size:

get a copy of the Koran.
transcribe a section of its text onto your computer. just a few random paragraphs ought to be sufficient.
realize, since all pronouncements of Mohammed bear the seal of Allah's kiss and all pronouncements from Allah come out of Mohammed's mouth, that for all practical purposes Mohammed and Allah are one and the same. So, delete all iterations and variations of "Mohammed" and "Allah" from the text, replacing them with "the Leader".
With me so far? good.
Now, delete all the repetitive BS space-filler, the formalized nonsense of "peace be unto his name" et omnia generis alia. It holds no denotative value. It is just dross: scrap it.

Now, re-read the redacted text.

Ask yourself: What does this stuff sound most like.

For most of your possible randomly chosen passages, the answer is "the Nurnberg Rally"

Comparisons between Nazism and Islam are absolutely valid, as they are wake-up calls to the facts.


38 posted on 05/30/2004 3:05:06 PM PDT by King Prout (the difference between "trained intellect" and "indoctrinated intellectual" is an Abyssal gulf)
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To: tbeatty; DonaldDuke
No. Not ignorant. I just don't care. It was 60 years ago....Keep in mind the allies of the German Nazis. The Russians, Japanese, Italians, etc etc. If your not willing to condemn Germany, Italy and Japan at this point, why would you try to connect Islam. It's a waste of time and it generates much more backlash than it moves the argument forward.

Shot to #6 on the PA best seller list. Sells well in Jordan and Egypt, in London too I've read. I presume the popularity of the Arabic version is purely a function of historical interest rather than a common mindset.

"Hitler the soldier left behind not only a legend stained by tragedy itself; the tragedy of a state whose dreams were shattered, a regime whose pillars were torn down, and a political party that was crushed. Hitler was a man of ideology who bequeathed an ideological heritage whose decay is inconceivable. This ideological heritage includes politics, society, science, culture, and war as science and culture."

"The National Socialism that Hitler preached for and whose characteristics were presented in his book My Struggle, and whose principles he explained in his speeches before he took power, as well as during the 13 years he spent at the head of the German nation - this National Socialism did not die with the death of its herald. Rather, its seeds multiplied under each star."

"We cannot really understand the efforts of this man without examining the principles enclosed in his book My Struggle that the Nazis turned into the "Gospel of National Socialism."

"This translation of the book My Struggle has never been presented to Arab speakers. It is taken from the original text of the author, Adolf Hitler. The text was untouched by the censor. We made a point to deliver Hitler's opinions and theories on nationalism, regimes, and ethnicity without any changes because they are not yet outmoded and because we, in the Arab world, still proceed haphazardly in all three fields."

Luis Al-Haj, translator.

64 posted on 05/30/2004 7:02:52 PM PDT by SJackson (Be careful -- with quotations, you can damn anything, Andre Malraux)
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