Posted on 06/01/2004 1:13:25 PM PDT by GeraldP
>>>That fact is covert and will not ever be verified.
How convenient.
BINGO, Exactly, Mr shiptari!
Why do you use Windows2000?
When was this? What were the circumstances surrounding the attack? Do you know who the perpetrators were, or could you identify them by sight?
I always wondered what a Win2k logged on to an RD on XP which is SSH -X -ed to an OS X which is then X -query -ing a Linux machine would show up as.
slip of the tongue tsk! tsk! tsk!You should be more precise--that would be a slip of the keyboard; if it really were a slip. :-)
The constant attacks on the Serbian people of Kosovo by Albanians over the past 100 years has only strengthened the myths of Kosovo in the hearts of the Serbs. The Albanians in Kosovo can ignore this at their own perile. They're not thinking past their own noses. That is often a fatal mistake. You can't wish away June 28th. It's going to be there every year.
SPare me with your "explanations" of why albanians supported nazis. It's obvious. Nazis dominated balkans, and albanians wanted to use that to expell as many serbs as possible from Kosovo. Now USA dominates, so albanians are the best fans of USA. etc.
Albanian partisans were, like croat or muslim partisans, communists. Serbian partisans however, were common, ordinary people, led by croatian, muslim and serbian communists. That's big difference. Istead of fighting communists and save their own lives by not joining them, serbian people rose to arms against nazis, thus turning germans against them as well. That's huge difference between us and you.
Well you should know, speaking about communists giving Kosovo to Albania, that it was just an idea, like it was Cubrilovic's plan for expulsion of albanians. But it seems you don't care wheter people have ideas or they implement them in real life. So, if you have an idea that, since you're descendants of Illyrians, you have right on Kosovo, well that has to be true. And if Cubrilovic said Albanians should be expelled, it must had happened!
Do you know about communist plans for taking Albania for part of Yugoslavia? Or ideas about Bulgaria and Yugoslavia merge into one state?
Besides, communists sided with ustashi, so communists were anti-serbian all the way. In Sremska Mitrovica prison, in 1930's, Mosha Piade (communist) and Mile Budak (ustasha), signed an agreement of cooperation between communists and ustashi. Also, communists were hailing ustashi terrorist attacks on yugoslavian police, back in 1930's.
But I doubt you care so much for history.
GERALDP - If a few Kosovar Albanians were misled to join the Germans...
Hahaha... maybe, since you like dedijer so much, you should check some other partisan literature on Kosovo Albanians and few of them siding with germans. I'll mention just 1944 rebelion in Drenica, mass rebelion against partisans. Nowhere in the world at that moment nazis were in offensive, but in drenica.
GERALDP - Once again for all your erudition, you appear to be incapable of critical thinking when it comes to Balkan history
Spare me, please...
I salute and respect your family's persistance! I salute the honorable memory of your grandfather. I'm not joking. I'm not sarcastic. But even if you and your family are the best people in the world, still it makes no difference since your not majority of your people. What do I care if there are 5, 10, or 10 000 croats good people, if they can't change croatian overall hatred toward Serbs, thet led three times in XX century to genocide? I don't care, since they can't change anything.
GERALDP - Yes Enver Hoxha declared the US an enemy of the “proletariat”, but even then the US was secretly admired by most Albanians.
:-)))))
US envoy was there to represent his country. Such statement didn't slip his tongue.
GERALDP - When you say “You took our land. We want it back” I wish you could step back and see the folly of your position. You are threatening a people with war to insatiate you blind nationalism.
I'm being nationalist for wanting my territory to be mine again? And you're not nationalist for wanting my territory to become yours and you took it by violent means? I'm violent for wanting a thief to be dispossed of something he took away illegaly? Why do you underestimate me so much? It's insulting to see your "logic". Find some better arguments.
GERALDP - Moreover you are condemning our children to a lifetime of war with no higher purpose, no noble outcome, no end in sight, for you know and I know that it will not be over so easily.
Look several lines up.
"To place foot upon tyrany's neck,
to lead tyrants to knowledge of the right,
this is the most sacred of man's duties!"
Thank you Njegosh, for these fine verses.
I will reply to your post in more detail later, for now I only have one thing to point out.
>>>What do I care if there are 5, 10, or 10 000 croats good people, if they can't change croatian overall hatred toward Serbs, thet led three times in XX century to genocide?
And what of Serb hatred? This is what I was referring to by critical thinking, you say the words but you appear to be incapable of applying them to yourself. What of your own hatred captain albala? Is there anything or anyone that will be able to change that?
Give us back our land, stop with ethnic cleansing. Then we can talk.
I wish we were hating you before. That might have led to our protection. But no, we didn't hate anyone for real. That was our mistake.
google is your friend
It's not an analogy. Kosovo is Holy Land for the Serbs. The sooner the Albanians relaize that, the better it will be for the future of both people.
Some kind of comprise will be necessary, but simple demographic majority will not be the determining factor. It may work in New Jeresey when voting districts are drawn. It doesn't work in Israel and it won't work in Kosovo.
The fact is that sooner or later the Arabs will be the majority in Israel. Israel is, by definition, a Jewish state. If demographics are to determine the future of Israel, then Israel is doomed to a failure (unless its Arab population is either ignored or expelled, because the Arabs will not accept Israel as their country).
By analogy, if you wish, Serbia is a state of Serbs first and foremost, and Kosovo is a cultural, historical, spiritual and physical part of Serbia, has been and will be. End of discussion.
ping
The scope of the Jihad network is illustrated by the countries where the 107 defendants in the 1999 trial were arrested ?Albania, Bulgaria, Azerbaijan, the United Arab Emirates and Egypt. It was Egypt's biggest terrorism trial since that of Jihad members in 1981 for the assassination of Sadat. In what became known here as "the trial of the Albanian returnees," the court convicted 87 people and sentenced 10 of them to death, including Dr. Zawahiri, who was tried in absentia.
After the failed 1993 assassination attempts, Yemen became less hospitable, and many Jihad members moved to Sudan, where Mr. bin Laden had established a base and provided them work, and then to Albania.
According to the trial documents, the Albania cell's members, most employed at Islamic charities in Tirana, were forced to transfer 26 percent of their salaries to Islamic Jihad.
Some defendants said they were also instructed to find money to set up a training camp "to serve the purposes of Jihad" in Albania. The instructions, they said, came from Muhammad al-Zawahiri, the brother of the Jihad leader.
BOSNIAN AL-QA'IDAH MEMBERS PLAN ATTACKS ON NATO - TERRORISM EXPERT
SRNA - October 17, 2003
New York - A group of Islamists, 10 mujahidin trained in Afghanistan, have entered Bosnia-Hercegovina with the help of Sandzak connections and are currently in Al-Qa'idah camps near Zenica (central Bosnia) and Tuzla (northeastern Bosnia), a Serb terrorism expert, Darko Trifunovic, has told SRNA. He added that a plan to blow up a tunnel through which a column of American vehicles was meant to pass was prevented in the last moment.
Trifunovic is currently in Washington, where he is talking with American anti-terrorism experts and prominent members of the Congress about the spreading and aims of Islamic fundamentalism in the Balkans and especially in Bosnia-Hercegovina where - as Trifunovic said - they operate "with the blessing of top Muslim officials".
He said that a group of about 300 young Kosovo Albanians, who had been attacked by the concept of a Greater Muslim state, was trained in northern Albania and then transferred to Kosovo with their trainers, mujahidin fighters from Middle Eastern and North African countries. According to intelligence reports, a third of the group went to the border with Macedonia tasked with destabilizing that country. Another third went towards Serbia, where some have already been caught, while some headed for Sandzak (Raska (old Serbian name for the region)) and on the way there killed Serb children in Gorazdevac (Kosovo).
I can get you more on this topic if you want
You are doing nothing more than overreaching in an attempt to prove something convenient to you, but that has no factual basis. Let's go look at the article you linked to three times.
"To support their terrorism, they skimmed money from a charity for Muslim orphans in Albania and robbed an Italian diplomat's home in Jordan."
Nennsy, Albania was in desperate shape after the overtrow of the totalitarian regime. We needed all the help we could get. Some criminal as well as terrorist organizations tried to take advantage of this.
However once we realized who the men behind some of these "charities" were, it was taken care of:
"In what became known here as "the trial of the Albanian returnees," the court convicted 87 people and sentenced 10 of them to death, including Dr. Zawahiri, who was tried in absentia"
This is what OBL claimed the attacks on the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were in return for, the 10 "Albanian returnees".
Also, the Albanian police knew how to handle AlQaeda"
"There have also been reports that the police in Albania used torture to extract confessions from suspects arrested there"
As for your other allegation:
" a Serb terrorism expert, Darko Trifunovic, has told SRNA."
That's all I need to see. This is nothing more than circular logic and self-reinforcing delusion. If these forums are an indication of anything, it is that many Serbs have an unnatural disdain of Albanians and a vested interest in tying them to America's enemies. After all you all keep saying "you have powerful allies, we'll wait". Your attempts to tie Albania and Kosova to AlQaeda are nothing more than attempts to precipitate the situation.
'The Charleston Gazette.' November 30, 1998 - Page 2A
BIN LADEN RUNS TERRORIST NETWORK, REPORT SAYS
"LONDON - The man accused of orchestrating the U.S. Embassy bombings in Africa operates a terrorist network out of Albania, The Sunday Times reported.
"The newspaper quoted Fatos Klosi, the head of the Albanian intelligence service, as saying a network run by Saudi exile Osama Bin Laden sent units to fight in the Serbian province of Kosovo.
"Bin Laden is believed to have established an Albanian operation in 1994 after telling the government he headed a wealthy Saudi humanitarian agency wanting to help Albania, the newspaper reported.
"Klosi said he believed terrorists had already infiltrated other parts of Europe from bases in Albania. Apparent confirmation of Bin Laden's activities came earlier this month during the murder trial of Claude Kader, 27, a French national who said he was a member of Bin Laden's Albanian network, the newspaper said.
"Kader claimed during the trial he had visited Albania to recruit and arm fighters for Kosovo.
The restoration and replacement of religious artifacts of history, icons, church bells and alleviating the suffering of all Kosovo people is the focal point of the DMRF.
The lost, damaged or destroyed Decani Monastary property from the terrorist attacks are now finding their way to the black market. KFOR has recently been arresting Albanians entering Macedonia with Church Icons and other Church property.
It is called turf war, ever hear of it? The OBL squad moving in on the Alb territory, cutting into profits=gang warfare.
Doesn't take a rocket scientist, Einstein, to figure that out.
Your turn HotShot!
>>>It is called turf war, ever hear of it? The OBL squad moving in on the Alb territory, cutting into profits=gang warfare.
You have quite a vivid imagination don't you Miroslav?
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