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To: Edward_Daley

"...many patriotic Americans are forced to ask if Mr. Roosevelt's preemptive war against the people of Germany has been worth the cost of so many innocent young lives."

Problem is - the war against Germany was not preemptive since Germany declared war on the USA first (December, 1941). Roosevelt could not act in a preemptive manner in the war after our opponent declared war against us.

That's where your satire falls flat.


11 posted on 06/02/2004 10:36:29 AM PDT by familyofman
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To: familyofman

Osama declared war against the U.S. several times before 9/11, without the U.S. responding or taking him seriously.


13 posted on 06/02/2004 10:39:30 AM PDT by stylin_geek (Koffi: 0, G.W. Bush: (I lost count))
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To: familyofman

ah, but that is where the satire is even better.
Why are we attacking Germany when it was (supposedly) Japan who attacked us?
What did Germany have to do with Pearl Harbor?
Didn't Japan attack us? Isn't this attack on Germany an attempt to make us look the other way for the failure in the Pacific to defat the Japenese and kill or capture Yamamoto?


14 posted on 06/02/2004 10:40:52 AM PDT by WoodstockCat
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To: familyofman; Edward_Daley
Problem is - the war against Germany was not preemptive since Germany declared war on the USA first (December, 1941). Roosevelt could not act in a preemptive manner in the war after our opponent declared war against us.

That's where your satire falls flat.

I don't think the satire falls flat at all. In fact, that line is well in keeping with the satire. After all, TRUTH never stopped a left-wing newspaper before.

15 posted on 06/02/2004 10:41:16 AM PDT by BSunday (If you're not right, you're wrong.)
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To: familyofman

"Germany declared war on the USA first (December, 1941)."

The German declaration:

The Government of the United States having violated in the most flagrant manner and in ever increasing measure all rules of neutrality in favor of the adversaries of Germany and having continually been guilty of the most severe provocations toward Germany ever since the outbreak of the European war, provoked by the British declaration of war against Germany on September 3, 1939, has finally resorted to open military acts of aggression.

On September 11, 1941, the President of the United States publicly declared that he had ordered the American Navy and Air Force to shoot on sight at any German war vessel. In his speech of October 27, 1941, he once more expressly affirmed that this order was in force. Acting under this order, vessels of the American Navy, since early September 1941, have systematically attacked German naval forces. Thus, American destroyers, as for instance the Greer, the Kearney and the Reuben James, have opened fire on German sub-marines according to plan. The Secretary of the American Navy, Mr. Knox, himself confirmed that-American destroyers attacked German submarines.

Furthermore, the naval forces of the United States, under order of their Government and contrary to international law have treated and seized German merchant vessels on the high seas as enemy ships.

The German Government therefore establishes the following facts:

Although Germany on her part has strictly adhered to the rules of international law in her relations with the United States during every period of the present war, the Government of the United States from initial violations of neutrality has finally proceeded to open acts of war against Germany. The Government of the United States has thereby virtually created a state of war.

The German Government, consequently, discontinues diplomatic relations with the United States of America and declares that under these circumstances brought about by President Roosevelt Germany too, as from today, considers herself as being in a state of war with the United States of America.

Accept, Mr. Charge d'Affaires, the expression of my high consideration.

December 11, 1941.

RIBBENTROP.

http://fcit.coedu.usf.edu/holocaust/resource/document/DECWAR.htm


38 posted on 06/02/2004 11:10:54 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: familyofman

Germany never attacked us, regardless of whether they declared war on paper or not, and Saddam declared defacto war time and again by breaking the cease-fire agreement he signed with us and the U.N. and firing on our plane patrolling the no-fly zones.
Beyond that, when a liberal wants to support or oppose something, they rarely ever make those sorts of distinctions. They are mostly irrational in their assessment of a particular situation, relying more on their guts than their heads.


53 posted on 06/02/2004 11:21:23 AM PDT by Edward_Daley
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To: familyofman
Problem is - the war against Germany was not preemptive since Germany declared war on the USA first (December, 1941). Roosevelt could not act in a preemptive manner in the war after our opponent declared war against us

Saddam CONTINUOUSLY VIOLATED THE ARTICLES of SURRENDER from GW I. Thereby we were still at WAR with HIM and HOSTILITIES were in abeyance. GWII was JUST a RESUMPTION OF HOSTILITIES. Thereby the war in IRAQ was NOT preemptive.

70 posted on 06/02/2004 11:39:07 AM PDT by PISANO (NEVER FORGET 911 !!!!)
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