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Massachusetts Gay Marriage Justice Indicted (Not Grand Jury Indictment-Press Release Only)
Massachusetts News ^ | 6/2/04 | Pawlick

Posted on 06/02/2004 12:12:24 PM PDT by pabianice

The following Indictment was released at 1 p.m. Tuesday by Rep. Emile Goguen

Indictment of Chief Justice Margaret H. Marshall and Associate Justices John M. Greaney, Roderick L. Ireland and Judith A. Cowin

Count #1 Chief Justice Margaret H. Marshall Did Encourage, Aid and Abet Atty. Mary Bonauto and GLAD in Bringing the Lawsuit, "Goodridge v. Dept. of Public Health" In Violation of the Massachusetts Code of Judicial Conduct

Section E(1) of the Massachusetts Code of Judicial Conduct states: "A judge shall disqualify himself or herself in a proceeding in which the judge's impartiality might reasonably be questioned …" [Emphasis added] When the word "shall" is used in the Code, it signifies that the disqualification is mandatory. Although the new Massachusetts Code of Judicial Conduct became effective on October 1, 2003, it is applicable to the facts in this Removal Procedure. Even if it were not, the old Code stated the same ethical standards at Canon 3(C)(1): "A judge should disqualify himself in a proceeding in which his impartiality might reasonably be questioned …" An important change is that the mandatory word "shall" has been substituted for the less strict word, "should." After Justice Marshall gave the Keynote Address at the Massachusetts Lesbian and Gay Bar Association on May 7, 1999, not only "might" her impartiality be questioned in the "Goodridge" case, it would have to be questioned by any impartial person. It was not a secret that Judge Marshall desired that such a case be filed in the Massachusetts courts. The Massachusetts Lesbian and Gay Bar Association archives of "Summer 1999" state this about Marshall's address before them: "The highlight of the evening for many was the keynote address given by Justice Margaret Marshall of the Supreme Judicial Court. Marshall, born in South Africa, noted with pride that her native land was the first country to write sexual orientation protections into the national Constitution. Based on those constitutional protections, South Africa's highest court last year struck down apartheid-era laws banning sodomy between consenting adults and Marshall read excerpts from the stirring decision. The Justice encouraged those lawyers in attendance to pay attention to the growing body of gay-friendly international jurisprudence." The following description of the affair was given in the August 1999 archives of MLGBA by Joseph Barri, a homosexual partner in the Boston law firm of Hale and Dorr and a member of MLGBA.

Marshall Discusses Lessons from South Africa Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court Justice Margaret H. Marshall delivered a stirring address to the Massachusetts Lesbian and Gay Bar Association's Annual Banquet, which was held at the Royal Sonesta Hotel in Cambridge on May 7 [1999]. The record turnout of more than 300 was spellbound by Justice Marshall's description of the evolution of gay and lesbian civil rights in her native South Africa. Until the adoption of a new constitution that ended apartheid, and among other things prohibited discrimination based on sexual orientation, the laws of South Africa permitted any citizen to make a private arrest of anyone suspected of engaging in homosexual conduct. If the person so arrested attempted to escape, the citizen making the arrest could use whatever force was required, including killing the suspect. Many observers might have expected South Africa to focus primarily on racial equality when considering minority rights to be protected under the new constitution. However, the drafters instead looked to the broader insight of John Adams, who is credited with being the craftsman of the Massachusetts Constitution, the oldest "living" document of its kind in the world. As the first known proponent of a constitution that protected certain fundamental rights of individuals and groups without the political power to defend themselves, Adams struck a balance among three critical concepts: a bill of individual rights; a representative government; and an independent judiciary. More than 200 years after the birth of the Massachusetts Constitution, South Africans adopted a constitution that incorporated Adams' approach to the protection of minority interests, including those with a minority sexual orientation. Justice Marshall continued her address with a discussion of "National Coalition for Gay and Lesbian Equality, et al. v. Minister of Justice, et al.", a landmark judgment of the Constitutional Court of South Africa on Oct. 9, 1998. In National Coalition, the court relied upon the new constitution's prohibition against discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation to decriminalize sodomy between consenting males in private. To have held otherwise, the court said, would have been "a severe limitation of a gay man's right to equality in relation to sexual orientation, because it hits at one of the ways in which gays give expression to their sexual orientation." Continuing to quote from the decision, Justice Marshall noted that such a law also "radiates out into society generally and give [sic] rise to a wide variety of other discriminations, which collectively unfairly prevent a fair distribution of social goods and services and the award of social opportunities for gays." Justice Marshall noted that "open advocacy for equal rights on behalf of people who have been discriminated against on the basis of sexual orientation has become a powerful piece of the general move for civil liberties for all people." In finishing her presentation, Justice Marshall exhorted the lawyers in the audience to refer to the decision of the South African Constitutional Court in their equality jurisprudence efforts in the United States. In this regard, she noted that lawyers in other countries have been referring to equality jurisprudence in the United States for several hundred years and that perhaps it is the time for lawyers in the United States to seek assistance from courts in other countries like South Africa, where new precedents are now being set, based in no small part on the groundbreaking work of John Adams in Massachusetts.

Margaret Marshall did not appear to be proud of her new country in 1999 when she told the MLGBA that perhaps it is time for lawyers in the United States to seek assistance from courts in other countries, such as her native land, South Africa. As if to prove her point, the case which she later cited in "Goodridge" to support her main point was a case from another country, Canada. The last Section of her opinion, Section IV, four paragraphs long, relied largely upon a case from the provincial Court of Appeal for Ontario from 2003. In addition, Marshall's impartiality would have been questioned by observers in October 2000 when she attended a political dinner shortly before the November elections of 2000. Not only was it a political affair, it honored Attorney Mary Bonauto from the homosexual law firm, GLAD (Gay & Lesbian Advocates & Defenders). That firm had five lawyers in Boston, plus eleven support staff, working only on homosexual issues in New England. The existence of that powerful firm was startling to any impartial observer because there was no such legal effort anywhere in the country working on the side of traditional marriage Attorney Bonauto and GLAD had just won the lawsuit in Vermont, which brought about civil unions there. They would shortly be bringing the "Goodridge" case in the courts of Massachusetts on April 11, 2001. The event where Bonauto was honored was the Annual Gala of the Women's Bar Association which was understandably attended by many politicians from Massachusetts. But judges should not attend political events, particularly when the honoree was a partisan such as Mary Bonauto, who appeared regularly in Massachusetts courts. The WBA is a political organization which lobbies extensively in the courts and the legislature. The featured speaker at this event was Dee Dee Myers, former press secretary for Bill Clinton. She received a rousing burst of applause when she predicted that Gore would win by a large margin. Myers' loudest applause came when she announced that Hillary Clinton would win New York. She noted to the 1800 people in attendance that she and Chief Justice Marshall are both married to the New York Times because they both have husbands who are employed there.

Count #2 Justice Marshall Permitted the Chief Justice of the Superior Court, Suzanne V. DelVecchio, to Encourage GLAD and Attorney Mary Bonauto to File the "Goodridge" case in the Massachusetts Courts, In Violation of Section E(1) of the Massachusetts Code of Judicial Conduct

The Chief Justice of the Superior Court, Suzanne DelVecchio, has championed homosexual marriage for years. The Superior Court is the state's trial court, where the "Goodridge" case began and ended. Justice DelVecchio appeared at the Lesbian & Gay Bar Association the year after Marshall did, on May 5, 2000. This was just after Vermont approved civil unions. "They're all shepherds up there," she told the audience of several hundred lawyers and judges. "They quarry some granite. A stone is what they export. Their product is ice cream and stone. And Vermont recognizes same-sex couples. And here we are in Massachusetts. Would you please? It's embarrassing. Could we get with the program a little bit? The only way gays and lesbians in this state are going to achieve what has been achieved in Vermont is to stay who you are [i.e. be proud of your homosexuality], apply for the [important] jobs and demand to be seated at the table." Noting that it would be an uphill struggle, DelVecchio said: "Nothing is easy. Do you think getting my hair this color is easy?" Attorney Mary Bonauto was also at that dinner listening to Judge DelVecchio speak. Bonauto was applauded for her work in Vermont and she presented an award to the two Vermont lawyers who had helped win civil unions in that state earlier in the year. Bonauto would file her gay marriage case in DelVecchio's Superior Court a year later. Judge DelVecchio was also present at the WBA's Annual Gala in October 2000. She still continues her unprofessional conduct without comment from Chief Justice Marshall. She was Keynote Speaker at the Annual Meeting of the WBA in April 2004 where she said: "Why should we follow the straight-line path set by men? Our path is going to be circular and crooked - and more interesting." She predicted a "backlash" because of women's inroads into the legal profession, but she also answered the question herself with the flip: "So what?" DelVecchio has never been censured or disciplined by Margaret Marshall. There is presently a question involving her Superior Court: Did many homosexual couples not receive valid marriage licenses on May 17 and were others not validly married after going before judges to waive the three-day waiting period? The problem arises because Justice Marshall's Order, which was contained in the last three sentences of her opinion on November 18, 2003, was not properly followed in the Superior Court. Marshall wrote: "We vacate the summary judgment for the department [i.e., the summary judgment for the defendant Department of Public Health as entered by Judge Thomas Connolly against the plaintiffs in Superior Court]. We remand [send back] this case to the Superior Court for entry of judgment consistent with this opinion. Entry of judgment shall be stayed for 180 days to permit the Legislature to take such action as it may deem appropriate in light of this opinion." But that Order was not properly followed. Instead of waiting for a judge in the Superior Court to enter a judgment as required, people were encouraged to begin a carnival atmosphere and start obtaining marriage licenses and marrying one-minute after midnight on May 17, even though there was not any authority to do so. Some are saying that Bonauto took a calculated risk and did not follow the rules because she did not want the case going back to Judge Connolly. He had ruled against her in Superior Court, and she was not certain what he might do with the case if it went back to him again. Some say he had many options. Although it is a common custom in Massachusetts that judges sit in Motion Sessions and decide important questions in cases about which they have no knowledge, it is also common that this does not occur in important cases. Therefore, they say that Chief Justice DelVecchio should have seen that the case went back to Judge Connolly. Even if everything the Superior Court did was totally proper and Judge Connolly would not have done anything differently, the possible impropriety is enormous and creates a stain on the court's integrity. Judge DelVecchio should have been forced in 2001 to recuse herself from the "Goodridge" case or resign her office.

Count #3 Justice Marshall Spoke to the Press Immediately After the Release of Her Opinion in Order to Portray Herself as a Champion of Civil Rights, in Violation of Section B(9) of Canon 3 of the Massachusetts Code of Judicial Conduct

Section B(9) of Canon 3 states "…a judge shall abstain from public comment about a pending or impending Massachusetts proceeding in any court …" This Canon is a problem for Justice Marshall because she enjoys portraying herself as a civil rights champion. Her opinion in "Goodridge" was released on Tuesday, November 18, 2003. She was in contact with a reporter at the Christian Science Monitor almost immediately with a story being written on Thursday and appearing in the paper on Friday. It is unheard of for judges to talk with reporters about their opinions, much less chase them for publicity. Justice Marshall was very successful in her public relations effort, and the paper reported that her opinion was a "pen stroke heard around the world." She told the paper about her "courageous" stands for civil rights. The first paragraph said: "Margaret Marshall likes to say she's lived through two revolutions - the overthrow of apartheid in her native South Africa and the advancement of women in the U.S. Now the chief justice of the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court is on the forefront of a third: the redefinition of the family. ... Marshall was raised in South Africa and came of age fighting against systematic segregation, which many say has formed her notions of freedom and fairness as a judge." Another paper, the Berkshire Eagle in Pittsfield, used the same theme in its headline: "Echoes of apartheid fight," and its lead paragraph: "In 1966, while South Africa was under the grip of apartheid laws that denied black people the right to own land or vote, Margaret H. Marshall led a group of 20,000 student activists protesting the regime's racial discrimination. … Legal professionals focused on those sentences [in the new case], especially the use of the words 'second-class citizens,' to illustrate the South African born Marshall's strong belief that the rule of law in this country should prevail over prejudice." Margaret Marshall wants everyone to believe this is a "civil rights" issue because this would rationalize her denial of the right of the citizens to decide or even enter into the process in any way. This would also make Marshall a heroine. In order to do so, Marshall must continue to believe that homosexuality is immutable and not a choice. She is too late for the "gay gene" theory which was discredited by 1999. Even the Globe reported in a major article on Sunday, February 7, 1999, under the headline, "The Fading Gay Gene," that "The [gay] gene still has not been found, and interest in - and enthusiasm for, the 'gay gene' research has waned among activists and scientists alike. And there is a growing consensus that sexual orientation is much more complicated than a matter of genes." In fact, much or most of the research is going the other way. The psychiatrist who was responsible for removing homosexuality from the disordered list of the American Psychiatric Society in 1973, Dr. Robert Spitzer, Chief of Biometric Research and Professor of Psychiatry at Columbia University, has done studies which show that some homosexuals can and do change. "Like most psychiatrists," he says, "I thought that homosexual behavior could only be resisted and that no one could really change their orientation. I now believe that to be false. Some people can and do change." No one knows what future research will reveal. The question is whether we should alter our definition of families, which has existed since the birth of this country and for 4,000 years in Western civilization, because of Margaret Marshall's personal opinion, which she has widely disseminated, that this is a "civil rights" issue.

Count #4 Judge Marshall's Three Companions Have Joined Her in Violating Article XXX of the Massachusetts Declaration of Rights

Article XXX of the Declaration of Rights in our state Constitution states that "… the judicial shall never exercise the legislative and executive powers, or either of them: to the end it may be a government of laws and not of men." The three Associate Justices who have refused (Justices Spina, Sosman and Cordy) to join the other three (Justices Greaney, Ireland and Cowin) and their leader, Margaret Marshall, say unequivocally that no judge and no court is allowed to usurp the power of the legislature as those four have done. Judges Sosman, Spina and Cordy say: "As a matter of constitutional jurisprudence, however, the case stands as an aberration. To reach the result it does, the court has tortured the rational basis test beyond recognition." (Sosman) They continue: "The power to regulate marriage lies with the Legislature, not the judiciary. The court has transformed its role as protector of individual rights into the creator of rights." (Spina) They say: "The Legislature is the appropriate branch, both constitutionally and practically, to consider and respond to same-sex marriage. The issue presented here is profound, deeply rooted in social policy, that must, for now, be the subject of legislative not judicial action." (Cordy) These statements come from all of those who have refused to join with Margaret Marshall because all of them have joined in the opinions of each other. Judge Thomas Connolly of the Superior Court agrees. He held against the plaintiffs when the case was before him in the Superior Court, before it was appealed to Margaret Marshall and the SJC. He was the first to point out that no judge has the power under our Constitution to do what the plaintiffs had requested of him, saying: "The Commonwealth's elected representatives, not the courts, should resolve this paradox. … While this court understands the plaintiffs' efforts to be married, they should pursue their quest on Beacon Hill." These judges charge a serious violation of Article XXX of the Declaration of Rights, which states that the Judiciary shall never exercise the powers of the Legislature. These are not kooks who say that the Court has violated our Declaration of Rights; they are distinguished members of the Supreme Judicial Court and the Superior Court. These charges are not to be lightly dismissed. Who else can correct this serious disobedience of our Constitution except for the Legislature? Indeed, it was for this occasion that John Adams had the wisdom and the foresight to include Article 98 and "removal" in the Constitution during its drafting in 1780. A sampling of their words follows: Justice Sosman - "In applying the rational basis test to any challenged statutory scheme, the issue is not whether the Legislature's rationale behind that scheme is persuasive to us, but only whether it satisfies a minimal threshold of rationality. Today, rather than apply that test, the court announces that, because it is persuaded that there are no differences between same-sex and opposite-sex couples, the Legislature has no rational basis for treating them differently with respect to the granting of marriage licenses. [footnote] … Of course, many people are raising children outside the confines of traditional marriage, and, by definition, those children are being deprived of the various benefits that would flow if they were being raised in a household with married parents. That does not mean that the Legislature must accord the full benefits of marital status on every household raising children. … It is not, however, our assessment that matters. … "As a matter of constitutional jurisprudence, however, the case stands as an aberration. To reach the result it does, the court has tortured the rational basis test beyond recognition." Justice Cordy - "The court recognizes this concern [about its ruling] but brushes it aside with the assumption that permitting same-sex couples to marry 'will not diminish the validity or dignity of opposite-sex marriage,' and that 'we have no doubt that marriage will continue to be a vibrant and revered institution.' Whether the court is correct in its assumption is irrelevant. What is relevant is that such predicting is not the business of the courts. A rational Legislature, given the evidence, could conceivably come to a different conclusion, or could at least harbor rational concerns about possible unintended consequences of a dramatic redefinition of marriage. *** "The Legislature is the appropriate branch, both constitutionally and practically, to consider and respond to it. It is not enough that we as Justices might be personally of the view that we have learned enough to decide what is best. So long as the question is at all debatable, it must be the Legislature that decides. … [T]his case is not about government intrusions into matters of personal liberty. It is not about the rights of same-sex couples to choose to live together, or to be intimate with each other, or to adopt and raise children together. It is about whether the State must endorse and support their choices by changing the institution of civil marriage to make its benefits, obligations, and responsibilities applicable to them. While the courageous efforts of many have resulted in increased dignity, rights, and respect for gay and lesbian members of our community, the issue presented here is a profound one, deeply rooted in social policy, that must, for now, be the subject of legislative not judicial action." (Cordy) Justice Spina - "What is at stake in this case is not the unequal treatment of individuals or whether individual rights have been impermissibly burdened, but the power of the Legislature to effectuate social change without interference from the courts, pursuant to art. 30 of the Massachusetts Declaration of Rights. The power to regulate marriage lies with the Legislature, not with the judiciary. [citation] Today, the court has transformed its role as protector of individual rights into the role of creator of rights, and I respectfully dissent. "The court has extruded a new right from principles of substantive due process, and in doing so it has distorted the meaning and purpose of due process. The purpose of substantive due process is to protect existing rights, not to create new rights. Its aim is to thwart government intrusion, not invite it. The court asserts that the Massachusetts Declaration of Rights serves to guard against government intrusion into each individual's sphere of privacy. Similarly, the Supreme Court has called for increased due process protection when individual privacy and intimacy are threatened by unnecessary government imposition. ... The statute in question does not seek to regulate intimate activity within an intimate relationship, but merely gives formal recognition to a particular marriage. The State has respected the private lives of the plaintiffs, and has done nothing to intrude in the relationships that each of the plaintiff couples enjoy. … Ironically, by extending the marriage laws to same-sex couples the court has turned substantive due process on its head and used it to interject government into the plaintiffs' lives."

Count #5 No Open and Fair Public Discussion Was Ever Allowed In Violation of the Preamble to the Massachusetts Code of Judicial Conduct

The Preamble to the Code of Judicial Conduct says: "Our legal system is based on the principle that an independent, fair and competent judiciary will interpret and apply the laws that govern us. The role of the judiciary is central for American concepts of justice and the rule of law. Intrinsic to all sections of this Code are the precepts that judges, individually and collectively, must respect and honor the judicial office as a public trust and strive to enhance and maintain confidence in our legal system. The judge is an arbiter of facts and law for the resolution of disputes and a highly visible symbol of government under the rule of law." No meaningful public discussion of "Goodridge" was ever allowed by Justice Marshall to take place in her presence. When any court decides an issue, there will never be as much discussion as would be allowed by a legislature, but what Justice Marshall attempted was to allow no public discussion before her. Every appellate court in the country has "Oral Argument" where lawyers for both sides appear before the court and state their opinions about the case. At the Oral Argument in "Goodridge," Justice Marshall allowed only one lawyer from each side to appear for a total time for both of 37 minutes and 11 seconds. Attorney Bonauto went first, approached the Bench very casually and said: "Good morning, Your Honor. It's Mary Bonauto here for the appellants Hillary and Julie Goodridge …" She obviously knew she had a friend presiding. The attorney for the people, Assistant Attorney General Judith Yogman, began in the usual formal manner: "Judith Yogman, Assistant Attorney General. I represent the Commissioner in the Department of Public Health …" She did not feel as though she was before a friend because she wasn't. She began to speak but was interrupted after only 8 seconds by a very nervous Margaret Marshall. Yogman was unable to draw a breath before she was questioned and badgered by Justices Marshall and Greaney. They barely allowed any other judge to enter this historic, monumental discussion which lasted only about 15 minutes. All of the other judges meekly went along, including those who later dissented. Justice Marshall was as nervous as a cat, and it is unknown whether the issue had been discussed among the judges before that fateful day of March 4, 2003. Judge Marshall must have had some idea she had a possible revolt on her hands. She obviously wanted Atty. Yogman out of there as quickly as possible. It was quickly apparent she did not want even 15 minutes of public discussion from the opponents. Marshall and Greaney kept popping questions at Yogman for 82% of her time, never allowing her to present her case in an orderly manner as she had planned. Despite that, Yogman did an excellent job and Marshall was visibly determined to get her out of the courtroom before more damage was done. At the very end, Marshall told Yogman she could have "a few minutes" to sum-up. But she then stopped Yogman when she was only 28 seconds into her "few minutes." When Yogman politely asked for an additional 30-seconds in order to finish just a portion of what she had been trying to say, Marshall snapped, "I'm afraid your time is up." Yogman could do nothing except say, "Thank you," and everyone was ordered to rise while Marshall fled the courtroom. That was the only glimpse that the public ever got of Margaret Marshall's thinking in this historic case. Everything else was done in the privacy of her chambers with no input from anyone except her fellow judges and briefs from other lawyers that she chose to read. The other three judges, Justices Greaney, Ireland and Cowin cannot say they were unable to see what was happening and what they were doing. They must also be removed.

(The entire transcript of the Oral Argument is available in a handout.)

Notes

Chief Justice Margaret Marshall, appointed by Republican William Weld as Associate Justice, 1996, and as Chief Justice by Republican Paul Cellucci, 1999.

Justice John M. Greaney, appointed by Democrat Michael Dukakis, 1989.

Roderick L. Ireland, appointed by Republican William Weld, 1997.

Judith A. Cowin, appointed by Republican Paul Cellucci, 1999.


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Leader of Democrats in House, Sal DiMasi, Continues as Dictator

The leader of the Democrats in the House, Sal DiMasi, reminds Sally Pawlick of 2002 when the most powerful man on Beacon Hill, Senate President Tom Birmingham, laughed at the 500 people who showed up at the State House on July 17. But he was totally driven out of office a few months later. Today, DiMasi continues to be defiant as he dictates to everyone, including the Chairman of the Rules Committee, Angelo Scaccia, exactly what they will do. Nobody remembers Tom Birmingham today and there is a Republican sitting as Governor, not Birmingham. DiMasi dictates that there will not be a vote on "Removal," which is worse than Tom dictated in 2002. He appears determined to prove to the average Democrat that the mob, unions, and extreme radical feminists from NOW are bossing their party and Sal. Although DiMasi said he would meet with his constituents last evening, he allowed only one couple to enter his office and held the affair after the State House was locked so no one else could enter. Why would he go to all that trouble for one couple?

Reporters, Radio Locked Out of Press Room

Many wondered yesterday whether it was Sal DiMasi who ordered that the doors of the Press Conference be locked until a few minutes before 1 p.m. and then saw to it that the telephones in the room never had a dial tone so that the Press Conference could not be broadcast live to listeners across the state and 100 affiliate stations across the country. No one anywhere in the State House appeared to have any knowledge of how to get a dial tone in their telephones.

1 posted on 06/02/2004 12:12:25 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice

She's not been indicted. They just want her to be indicted.


2 posted on 06/02/2004 12:16:36 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: pabianice
If any of this holds true... it could be a serious blow to activist judges in this country.

Simple rule that even I understand. You cannot judge the constitutionality of a law and try to create it at the same time.
3 posted on 06/02/2004 12:17:02 PM PDT by Americanwolf (Causing a cold shiver to go down a liberals spine every 8 seconds... and loving it!)
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To: Americanwolf

Right! It must be a simple rule, that only folks like you and I can understand. But not the elites, who are more nuanced and sophisticated than we are. ;)


4 posted on 06/02/2004 12:19:24 PM PDT by cvq3842
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To: pabianice; little jeremiah; scripter

I'm going to make a prediction here. I predict that this gay marriage issue will go before SCOTUS and it's not going to be legal. Period.

And gays will trash the cities that have welcomed them, and they will riot.

And this judge will be thrown off the bench.


5 posted on 06/02/2004 12:21:19 PM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband (Borders, Language, Culture, Straights - now more than ever)
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To: Brilliant

And indicted, she should be.


6 posted on 06/02/2004 12:24:13 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (When Kerry Sticks up one finger, he's indicating his IQ-not that it's one, but it's in single digits)
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To: Americanwolf
If any of this holds true... it could be a serious blow to activist judges in this country.

That's precisely why in probably isn't true. DARN, the headline reads well! Too bad.

7 posted on 06/02/2004 12:25:01 PM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Kerry is a major dork))
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To: pabianice

A representative, either state or federal, cannot issue an indictment in the state of Massachussets, as far as I know. If I read this correctly, this is not an official indictment and has no weight under the law.

If I am mistaken, and this indictment was handed down by the Attorney General of the state or by a Grand Jury, I hope someone will point that out.

If not, then it's just posturing and has no effect.


8 posted on 06/02/2004 12:25:33 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: pabianice
Pleeeeeeze. Massachusetts judges very special, and are ALL above the Law.
They had a deal with Law, too.


9 posted on 06/02/2004 12:25:54 PM PDT by Diogenesis (We do what we are meant to do)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband

I am sad to say that I fear you are going to be proven wrong.


10 posted on 06/02/2004 12:26:09 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Uday and Qusay are ead-day)
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To: pabianice
No one anywhere in the State House appeared to have any knowledge of how to get a dial tone in their telephones.

Have they outlawed "cell phones" in Mass.?

11 posted on 06/02/2004 12:26:46 PM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Kerry is a major dork))
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To: Brilliant

Governors Weld and Celluci were and are both RINOs. Just a bit of perspective there for you.

It seems there a bit of confusion over what is happening here. Is it possible that the judge has been indicted? Without even fully reading the piece, I doubt it. Let's keep our eyes open on this one...could be interesting.


12 posted on 06/02/2004 12:27:44 PM PDT by RexBeach (Before God makes you greedy, he makes you stupid.)
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To: cvq3842
But not the elites, who are more nuanced and sophisticated than we are



Nuanced is another word that will go the way of the metro-sexual..
Definition time from the Americanwolf dictionary... page 5558.2

Nuanced and Sophisticated elite = I am losing my argument and political position so I am going to start play games with the semantics of a word in hopes of confusing my competition from seeing how stupid I really am...
13 posted on 06/02/2004 12:28:04 PM PDT by Americanwolf (Causing a cold shiver to go down a liberals spine every 8 seconds... and loving it!)
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To: RexBeach

"It seems there a bit of confusion over what is happening here. Is it possible that the judge has been indicted? "

I don't think so. I read the whole thing, and it appears to be a publicity stunt, more or less. The news story should have explained that this state rep. cannot indict anyone, and that no real indictment has been filed.


14 posted on 06/02/2004 12:30:45 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: little jeremiah

Ping


15 posted on 06/02/2004 12:31:08 PM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - All donations are greatly appreciated. Thank you for your support!)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
I am sad to say that I fear you are going to be proven wrong.

Me too. All the power-brokers in Massachusetts are in on the joke that is "gay marriage," except for the people.

16 posted on 06/02/2004 12:32:19 PM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Americanwolf

So, what does "nuanced" mean anyhow? You'll excuse me, please. I don't get out much.


17 posted on 06/02/2004 12:32:25 PM PDT by RexBeach (Before God makes you greedy, he makes you stupid.)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband

"..they will riot"

Heh, yeah like maybe all 200 of them in any 500 square mile area. I'm not going to be boarding up my windows any time soon. Besides, its tough marching in heals - they'll get tired and go home.

My views:
1) activist judges are bad and aren't impartial
2) gays should be allowed to marry for the same reasons that blacks and whites were given the right to marry (by an activist judge, no less).
3) until 2 is done, we should arrest anyone who breaks the law - like the mayor of SF.


18 posted on 06/02/2004 12:33:25 PM PDT by mudblood
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To: pabianice

Does this mean that if a judge spoke at a meeting of a Catholic or other conservative religious group, and said s/he believed marriage should be reserved for male-female couples, that said judge should be required to recuse him/herself from any cases involving the subject? Or that any judge who has ever publicly expressed opposition to legal abortion should be required to recuse him/herself from any cases involving that subject?

If we start barring judges from hearing cases on politically hot topics, because they once expressed a personal preference for one side or the other, we're going to limit ourselves to a small pool of judges who either don't care much about major contemporary legal/political issues and/or who have been so guarded in their public speaking and writing that they'll have to have been appointed without anyone having any clue what they think on such issues. I agree that appearances of conflict aer a problem, but I also think that effectively stripping judges of their 1st Amendment rights is a problem. If this judge had expressed an intention or desire to apply for a gay marriage license herself, then that, in my mind, would rise to the level of a conflict requiring recusal.


19 posted on 06/02/2004 12:34:18 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Timesink; *CCRM; martin_fierro; reformed_democrat; Loyalist; =Intervention=; PianoMan; GOPJ; ...
Media Schadenfreude and Media Shenanigans PING

Many wondered yesterday whether it was Sal DiMasi who ordered that the doors of the Press Conference be locked until a few minutes before 1 p.m. and then saw to it that the telephones in the room never had a dial tone so that the Press Conference could not be broadcast live to listeners across the state and 100 affiliate stations across the country. No one anywhere in the State House appeared to have any knowledge of how to get a dial tone in their telephones.

20 posted on 06/02/2004 12:37:45 PM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS. CNN ignored torture & murder in Saddam's Iraq to keep their Baghdad Bureau.)
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