Posted on 06/07/2004 4:54:39 PM PDT by JPhill9123
The author is a conservative, and if you don't belive him, you can ask his boyfriend
Fine, give me the sources of your research. Direct me to specific articles in qualified journals that show the children of homosexual parents are more likely to be emotionally warped. When sited my sources, I gave them. Start with this: www.prevent-abuse-now.com/stats.htm#Offenders
I spent several years working with children of abuse, several different institutions from Level 4 Prisons to schools for wards of the court. The primary reason incest and abuse ultimately hurt is the betrayal of trust. The child trusts the adult to protect and that trust is broken.
If you take the time to peruse the data that I have linked, you would see that the abusers are predominant heterosexuals. The abusers are often family members. This is true nearly 90% of the time. In fact, there are almost no known incidents of child abuse in children raise by a homosexual couple. Try as you might, the statistics and any corollaries do not support this at all. If we follow logically, then we should ban heterosexual marriage
Nothing in my logic—which I am actually using—points to condoning marriage between sister and brother.
Nothing in what I have written on this topic either implies or suggests that I condone or condemn either gay marriage or incest. In fact, it is in you that have made that leap.
So far the
My point is that this is not, and should not be the pivotal issue in this year's election
Not trivial, no. But not the paramount issue either, and that's what is has become.
What I find ironic is that we conservatives have allow ourselves to be deflected away from the more important issues by this one by the liberals. By pandering to the issue, by making gay marriage more important that anything else, we are forced to ignore the fact that the liberals have no real substance on any other issue.
In my state, Indiana, as with many other states in the union, we are faced with a huge deficit crisis. But instead of dealing with that issue, fixing our roads and highways, bettering our schools...our governor and legislators are being made to deal with gay marriage.
Look at California: Governor Arnold has a cripling deficit, a power shortage, forest fires, and threats of terrorism. But instead, he is forced to deal with an issue that simpl doesn't have thesame importance.
Groups such as the ACLU and others like it seem to love diverting our attention away from the real issue. They've got Los Angeles County stopping everything it's doing just to deal with the cross on seal.
My point is this, The GOP controls the Congress and the White House...why is the left dictating the issues.
Abraham Maslow pointed out that there is a Hierarchy of Needs. Until we fulfill those on the lowest level, we cannot work to fulfill those above. The first of these are Physiological needs. We need air, we need food, we need water. Next, we have safety needs, the need feel safe and secure in our homes and in our persons. These needs must be met first.
In other words, my problems right now include helping my children deal with the fact that their mother is in Kosovo right now and will be for more than a year, helping my son deal with his problems in school, finding away to deal with the fact that milk has gone from $2.59 per gallon to $3.59 per gallon in less than three weeks.
If a frank discussion on same-sex marriage provides the answers to those problems, then fine, let's talk about it.
Though granted it is an emotional issue and politicians can get a lot of mileage from it by opposing gay marriages or civil unions. However the impact on society either way is insignificant - despite the rhetoric that says otherwise.
That starkly contrasts with this research: A disproportionate percentage--29 percent--of the adult children of homosexual parents had been specifically subjected to sexual molestation by that homosexual parent, compared to only 0.6 percent of adult children of heterosexual parents having reported sexual relations with their parent . . . . Having a homosexual parent(s) appears to increase the risk of incest with a parent by a factor of about 50.
Homosexual Parenting: Placing Children at Risk
As for politics, this is big winner for Bush.
+63% of Californians voted for the Defense of Marriage initative in 2002.
As for an important issue, I see it as important as discouraging incest:
warped childern, mental or emotional, is not in our society's intrest.
I view's it's impact on society as significant as incest: warped children, mental or emotional, is not in our society's interest.
The institution of marriage is for raising children
see post #67
Overall, since the study was done by the Family Research Council, a group I put as much faith in their objectivity as an environmental study sponsored by Earth First or the Sierra Club. Or a study on the effects of tobacco funded by Phillip Morris.
I think the bottom line here is this; there is not enough scientifically supported data coming from either side to support the argument in either direction.
There is a significant amount of data pointing to children being molested by family members, children from heterosexual families. Granted, I am sure these families set off all sorts of alarm signals in terms of disfunctionality.
Studies such as the one you suggest are suspect because of the organization conducting the study. On Hot Button issues such as this, that becomes even more questionable.
I would argue, based on the sthat individuals who prey on the weak, especially children can be found in all walks of life. I think the jury is still out on whether homosexual couples are more of a threat, the same threat, or less of a threat.
I did find this study quite interesting, and have bookmarked it for further study. I will also attempt to track down all the supporting data.
I would argue, based on the sthat individuals who prey on the weak, especially children can be found in all walks of life.
Concur,
However, I would argue individuals from the 1 to 3 percent of the population that is sexually attracted to the same sex are committing up to one-third of the sex crimes against children.
Actually, the Spartans normalized and encouraged such relationships, and they were considered one of the most power people of their time. They last several hundred years following those principles.
As for the first part of your statement, it assumes that there is fault there to begin with, therefore is a false argument. It requires homosexual couples prove a negative, before a positive hase been proven. However, I would argue individuals from the 1 to 3 percent of the population that is sexually attracted to the same sex are committing up to one-third of the sex crimes against children.
I do not believe that the statistics support such an assumption. And if it IS true, then we could save the remaiining 2/3 of the children by pulling them out of traditional families. Wouldn't it make sense to save the greatest number of children?
Before you respond, I am NOT advocating such position. But the statistics, if correct (which I doubt), could point in both directions.
I do believe you ignore the obvious: the risk factor goes up by a factor of 50 when homosexuality enters the equation.
And you are ignoring every argument that doesn't specifically agree with you. Do the math.
There are more children with heterosexual couples, correct? Ergo, there are more children in danger. You yourself wrote "1/3 of the crimes." By your own words, that leaves 2/3 of the crimes. It doesn't matter who is more inclined, which you have still not proven, there are more children being hurt in heterosexual relationships. I ignored nothing...you are assuming facts not yet in evidence. We live in a society where people are innocent until proven guilty, and yet you are making a rash generalization. It is that same type of generalization that Abraham Lincoln argued with Stephen Douglas prior to the Civil War.
Curiously, no contemporary source and no archaeological evidence support this widespread assumption.
As for the evidence on the Spartans, The evidence is there in the literature of the time. While it is not explicit, there are strong suggestions, even in the Iliad and Odyssey, but also works from the early Greek playwrights, and some historians. The biggest problem here is that 90% of the historic record was destroyed when the Library at Alexandria burned to the ground.
Research the concept of Eros, as it refers to the ancient Greeks. I suggest doing this at the library and not on the Internet, or you will be besieged with images you don't want to see. The concept was to create strong bonds between warriors. Like it or not, Eros is a masculine love. As for the archaeological proof, I have seen pots and urns from the Lakedaemon region that shows older men presenting young boys with flowers. There are more images such as this than there are showing Men present similar gifts to women. Go to any historical or art museum, including the Metropolitan in New York, The Art Institute and the Field Museum in Chicago, the Smithsonian in Washington, and you will see a tremendous amount of evidence.
Even scholarly works by ancient Persians make note of this. Darius and his son Xerxes, both kings of ancient Persia invaded Greece (remember the battle of Marathon), and what few historic records of the time still exist, make note of the Greek practices.
Many modern scholars tend to gloss over this, I would guess, because of cultural bias. But we cannot judge an ancient culture by our standards, only by their own.
I don't know why the author you cite fails to take into account all that evidence, but it is there. Read the following: Early Sparta, by G.L. Huxley Lives of the Noble Greeks and Romans, by Plutarch Ancient Greek Houses, by B.C. Rider Daily life in Ancient Greece by R. Flaciere The Histories, by Herodotos The Cambridge Ancient History, Vol. III What Happened in History, by V.G. Childe Phallos: A symbol and its History in the Male World, by Th. Vangaard The Pelican history of Greece, by V.G. Childe The Early Ionians, by G.L. Huxley Oxford Companion to Classical Literature,
All of these prove my point. I do little research on the Internet because the each site tends to bear the bias of its creator. Anyone can produce a website that says anything they want. There is no scholarship involved on many of these sites, only vanity. I do most of my research at the Library. I am blessed with access to three outstanding college libraries within a one-hour drive of my house.
The Spartans were a subset of the Greeks, you did not cite any evidence of the Spartans embracing homosexuality as the Athenians did.
Because it won't STAY in San Francisco or Massachusetts. Nough said.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.