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To: AMDG&BVMH
"Well, he jumped and danced to get it further enacted, packing the Supreme Court, etc.

Yes. He presided over the grave-side services of the Republic, which traded its independence insured by true wealth in return for dependency upon a foreign banking system for survival.

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"My father, in his 80s, fumes to this day about the Federal Reserve and international bankers. So some citizens were aware and horrified by what was happening. I think most people do NOT know that the Fed is a private corporation, reaping profit from the issuance of currency and CREDIT."

Exactly! A private, for profit corporation which foments unrest between nations in order to get its 'currency' system in the door of each nation to finance its war needs. Who was it that said, 'Let me control the currency of a nation and I will care not who its leaders are,' or words to that effect? What better way to control the politics of a nation than by controlling the natural resources and labor force after the nation is bankrupt. No bank lends money unsecured. What happens when you don't make car payments or mortgage payments? In the case of mortgaged nations which go into receivership, everything continues as before with the exception that you no longer own anything outright, but instead pay a 'use fee' through taxation which also pays for the cost of administering the receivership.

Some will say, 'Well, we can pay off the debt and that will be the end of it.' But that's not true, for you cannot pay off debt with an i.o.u. Fed currency is I.O.U.'s. . . a promise to pay in the future, for FRN's are not backed by labor already performed, but by labor to be performed tomorrow. And you know what they say about 'tomorrow? Yup, it never comes. Heh! In the case of our current debt, that labor won't be performed for at least another generation, and even then, the principle is not amortized -- only the interest. When we went for the FRN scam, we agreed to pay the interest on the debt in gold (labor already performed), not FRN's (future labor). When our gold become depleted, we mortgaged everything else in the country there was to mortgage. Then title to our natural resources, property, children, future labor pool passed to the lender.

So FDR waved his magic wand over the ashes of the Republic and resurrected a new nation, conceived in debt and dedicated to the proposition that all Sovereign Citizens will eventually become 14th Amendment federal contract citizens, henceforth forced to pay the federal debt from generation to generation in direct violation of the 'involuntary servitude' clause in the 13th -- an amendment which was relegated to the ash heap along with the 2nd Amendment which died in 1934.

"What to do? Do you think all this can be overturned by appealing to Congress? Not likely; and you will be branded a conspiracy-nut to boot . . .

Congress is only doing what it's hired to do by the lender. Maintain the facade of our original government to avoid another revolution and serve as a control agency to insure that debt payments continue. They get paid pretty good for that, don't they? But there is light at the end of the tunnel. Talk about that another time. Just wanting to define what is today, not what it will be in the future.

"My "program of action" is a limited one. Try as best I can to buy from local, family-owned businesses and family farms. I buy products from the Amish, God Bless them, because they are striving mightily to earn a living and live in a real community. And are PRESERVING, for ALL of us, beautiful countryside and lovely small towns.

You must be from Central Illinois. I'm well-familiar with those folks. Dare I say it here? GREAT CHEESES! -- but not many moose. :>

"I do have one hope: that the Internet will make it possible for more people to live in rural areas and small-towns, and still make a living. I have found some treasures from family-operated businesses that way. PROBLEM: why would someone move from the city to a dying small town, which no longer has any operating businesses except an undertaker -- who will also go out of business when the last hangers-on die off?

Well, it wouldn't be a problem if the reason the towns are dying were eliminated. But again, that would be not in the interests of the lenders who control most land use and need to maximize profits and preserve natural resources at the same time. This is overseen by the UN and the faux treaties enacted under the code name of 'sustainable development,' a rather innocuous phrase on the surface, but it encompasses the agenda of complete control and management of anything you can imagine, and some things you can't imagine.

But all these concerns for restoring our Constitutional Republic and the rule of law are being placed on the back-burner for the most part, as the War on Terror is coming to a head and complete mobilization is necessary during this period. There is a greater threat to civilization than how we pay our debts that requires our energies and participation, IMO.

"There is the appeal of "getting away" from the rat race. But people do need a social life and places to shop and go for culture and entertainment . . .

I think for a brief period, even that may have to be placed on the back-burner. We need to 'sustainably develop' safe streets, safe neighborhoods and safe borders for a while. Yes, we need to grab our shovels and scoop out the garbage that is pervading our nation. And who knows? Maybe some of our other problems will be scooped out in the process.

193 posted on 06/20/2004 10:15:28 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Neil E. Wright; Jeff Head; Travis McGee; dcwusmc; A Navy Vet; jimrob; NotJustAnotherPrettyFace; ...

'Scuse the ping, but I thought you might be interested in this. # 193.


194 posted on 06/20/2004 11:04:30 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Eastbound
"A private, for profit corporation which foments unrest between nations in order to get its 'currency' system in the door of each nation to finance its war needs. "

This is an amazing sentence.

I am reading (in German) a bio by a German doctor whose mother was of Jewish descent. He quotes a speech he heard Hitler deliver on radio. IF the (Jewish) international bankers insist on another European war, it will lead to the destruction of the Jewish people in Europe.

This statement is amazing, given your observations above. Hitler here clearly blames the international bankers for formenting WWI and II.

In no way does this justify Hitler:

1. He saw the dangers to national sovereignty of the international banking system.

2. He blamed it, however, on the Jewish race. The individual German shopkeeper was just as much a victim as anyone else. (Remember the ruinous inflation of the 20s which allowed Hitler to get a foothold to begin with?). So it doesn't matter what the geneology of the international bankers is or was. The little people are all victims.

3. He threatened the Jewish race in Europe as a CONSEQUENCE of war, not an inevitability. Again, this was a useless threat because the int'l bankers would not care about the individual Jewish person any more than they would about any other individual person.

4. Although Jewish people were unjustifiably harrassed before the war broke out, the Final Solution began AFTER the war started, in 1942. Hitler, unfortunately, tried to keep his part of the threat made in the speech.

I had not read this position of Hitler's worded in this way anywhere else.

BTW the Amish settlements in Ohio are the largest ones in the US. Even larger than PA! They are also in Iowa and Missouri. Once in MO we stopped into their shop. No one was at the counter. There was a note on the counter: write down what your bought and put the money in the bowl.!!

196 posted on 06/21/2004 6:45:32 AM PDT by AMDG&BVMH
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To: Eastbound

"Well, it wouldn't be a problem if the reason the towns are dying were eliminated." . . .

"We need to 'sustainably develop' safe streets, safe neighborhoods and safe borders for a while. . . . Maybe some of our other problems will be scooped out in the process."

OR maybe some of the other solutions would lead to safer streets and borders. E.G. The move to the cities, where each person is an anonymous atomistic individual, devoid of participation in a true, organic community -- is what ALLOWS terrorists to hide in our midst.

It is not merely that terrorists can hide out in an ethnic enclave; sometimes they don't do even that; it is the presence of ethnic enclaves that allows the majority to assume that this individual plotting terrorism is not a threat, but rather a member of that community: which he is often not. That minority community might know that he is an outsider, but the rest of us would not.

In a small town, if the ethnic newcomer shows himself to be someone who wants merely to work, earn a living, and enjoy the respect of his fellow-men, he will be -- if not totally accepted initially -- at least tolerated and allowed to puruse his legitimate endeavors for life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. E.G. in the small town where my parents live, they have Russian physicians; Indian physicians are common in small towns. Their behavior and participation in the community demonstrates that they are immigrants seeking the American dream. True terrorists would likely stand out suspiciously in a small town: how does this dude support himself? he seems to have money, but no visible means of support, etc. Some of the 9/11 hijackers DID arouse suspicion, but the authorities did not take it seriously when they got reports (such as someone taking flying lessons who did not want to learn to take off and land) . . .

Since the government shows no interest whatsoever in controlling our borders . . .


197 posted on 06/21/2004 9:05:57 AM PDT by AMDG&BVMH
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