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1 posted on 06/09/2004 10:38:47 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

I thought Richard Clarke admitted that he authorized the flights?


2 posted on 06/09/2004 10:42:40 AM PDT by KJacob (No military in the history of the world has fought so hard and so often for the freedom of others.)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Very interesting. However, I suspect that these passengers knew nothing of the impending attack, or they would have left the country before it occurred.


4 posted on 06/09/2004 10:48:14 AM PDT by expatpat
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The "evidence" in this story hinges on an eyewitness who says the people in the Learjet flew out on a 727, then from there they come up with names? While I think this Learjet flight took place, the chain of evidence is weak, at best, in regards to who was on the plane.


5 posted on 06/09/2004 10:49:24 AM PDT by stylin_geek (Koffi: 0, G.W. Bush: (I lost count))
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Unverifiable tail numbers? Unverifiable airplane type? Unverifiable passenger manifest? Unlocatable law officer? Sounds to me like this is a hit piece for the 9/11 "Commission" on GWB.

Plus, the author does not even know that Tampa International Airport = TPA, not "TIA"? Come on.


6 posted on 06/09/2004 10:50:12 AM PDT by astounded
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Excuse my ignorance, perhaps I'm not "getting" something here, but this entire story that's been touted by the extreme left AND right seems like nothing more than a red herring to me.

Let's say it was true, that a group of Saudi citizens were flown out of the country shortly after 9/11. Two possibilities are then the explaination:

1. That our government was somehow involved, either actively or passively, in "covering up" some link between themselves and the terrorists. That is to say, this story of Saudis being whisked away shortly after 9/11 is only the TIP of some kind of global conspiracy that would make even Fox Mulder himself shudder.

OR...

2. The government, more specifically, President Bush realized that these people probably felt uncomfortable in the US after the worst terrorist attack in our nations history. In his desire (perhaps misplaced, but an HONEST desire) to maintain good relations with SA, he allowed the royal family members to leave. The reports of their early departure were denied, simply because his honest desire to maintain good relations with SA WOULD be twisted into some kind of government conspiracy, or pure incompetence on his part, or both, JUST as it is now.

I think the rational conclusion is #2. Kind of disappointing, that he (Bush) wouldn't put enough faith in his supporters to tell the truth about it, but hardly proof of a national conspiracy (or international), which, (and this is an important point to consider):

IF WE REJECT #2, THEN WE CAN ONLY BE LEFT WITH #1!

So, why believe in something so bizzare, so Orwellian, as option #1, if we don't have to? Why worry about something like that, when a perfectly reasonable explaination exists otherwise?

No reason at all, unless one permits conspiracy theories to substitute for facts.


15 posted on 06/09/2004 11:15:50 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

So, after lying about it for years, the govt finally admits this.

What else about the Saudis have they lied about? Not those blank 28 pages.

Their credibility is in tatters.


31 posted on 06/09/2004 2:48:12 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: AdamSelene235

FYI


33 posted on 06/09/2004 2:52:12 PM PDT by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

I never heard anybody deny the flight took place, the only think I ever heard denied was the co-accusation that they left without the approval of the FBI and at the insistance of "someone" in the administration.


39 posted on 06/09/2004 4:28:19 PM PDT by discostu (Brick urgently required, must be thick and well kept)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1151517/posts



Former senior Reagan advisers who spoke with UPI solely on condition of anonymity told how the Reagan group ingeniously had targeted Soviet hard-currency earnings. If Moscow were broke it couldn't develop or buy weapons and couldn't even pay the troops of its overextended military machine, much less finance wars of liberation around the world. It could talk tough, but "it would no longer be tough," as one former Reagan official put it.

The first blow was struck in May 1983, when American pressure forced the International Energy Agency to put a limit on European exports of Soviet natural gas, blocking huge sums of money from reaching Moscow. But natural-gas earnings were only a Kremlin sideshow: Russia's top engine of economic wealth was its oil industry, which generated half of its hard-currency earnings, these sources said.

By early 1983, the Treasury Department, under the direction of Casey and Weinberger, had completed a voluminous study of U.S. and Soviet energy costs. The study had discovered that the best price required by the United States for a barrel of crude oil was only $20. This was far below the $34 per barrel being charged in 1983. If oil prices came down, it would save the United States almost $72 million a year, or almost one percent of the gross national product. What would a fall in the oil price do to the Russians?

Very ugly things, it seemed. The study concluded that while a cut in oil prices would boost U.S. economic welfare, the same cut would have a "devastating effect on the Soviet economy," in the words of one former Reagan adviser. In fact, Reagan National Security Adviser Bill Clark told Schweizer that "Ronald Reagan was fully aware that energy exports represented the centerpiece of Moscow's hard-currency earnings." The energy-export industry was working at full capacity. A drop in price, and the Russians were badly lamed.

Soon U.S. officials were huddling in Geneva with the Saudi oil adviser, Sheikh Ahmed Zaki Yamani. Following the meeting, the United States announced it was cutting its oil imports from 220,000 barrels per day to 145,000 barrels. In late February, the Saudi ambassador, Prince Bandar, met with senior U.S. officials, including Casey and Weinberger, according to former Reagan officials who were involved.

Abruptly, the Saudis boosted production of oil, resulting in lower world prices. By August 1985, Saudi production jumped from 2 billion barrels a day to 9 billion. Since Saudi Arabia was the swing producer in OPEC, which used its production levels to control the market price of crude, the effect was instantaneous. In Russia, the effect was calamitous, former Reagan officials said.

How did the price cuts affect Saudi incomes? Did they lose money on the deal? Hardly. According to former senior CIA officials, CIA currency-exchange specialists bounced billions of dollars of Saudi currency reserves from one currency to another: from the Belgian franc to the British pound and back. This earned the Saudis "billion of dollars" in the words of one former official.

"Reagan's doctrine was simple -- no quarter for the Soviet Union, no concessions. Instead, stop and counter it any way you could -- whether it was support for free unions or groups resisting its encroachments," said a former White House staffer.


42 posted on 06/11/2004 7:41:12 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

bump


43 posted on 06/11/2004 7:47:15 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker; First_Salute
aircraft tracking equipment normally assigned to a noise abatement program

Binoculars?

59 posted on 07/11/2004 5:24:52 PM PDT by snopercod (What we have lost will not be returned to us.)
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