Well the stock market 'crash' started under clinton in March 2004.
Posted on 06/09/2004 5:48:57 PM PDT by tiki
Seems like a lot of rot to me. However, my advise would be to let it go. In the end, family is what it's all about. If you damage your relationship with your brother over politics, you'll come to regret it.
His problem is clearly a moral one. The GOP USED to represent morality, but more and more we are embracing homosexuality and legalized drug use.
But, for your brother's part, that snippet shows he is in rebellion against what is right, and what has historically accepted as right.
He wants freedom without responsibility and moral constraint.
He needs to get saved.
(Judg 21:25 KJV) In those days there was no king in Israel: every man did that which was right in his own eyes.
I know just what you mean. My husband has to have a license to buy chemicals. You have to have a permit to transport waste oil as a hazardous Waste. We have to have a permit to keep gasoline and diesel in bulk on the farm. We have to post fields when we spray them, in English and in Spanish and have to post labor laws informing people of their rights also in English and Spanish. I could go on all night.
this is BS. It is the 'RATS that are most responsible for nanny state laws.
The Stupid Party is not in the "strangehold" of the religious right. If it were, the party as a whole would be much better off.
The Stupid Party is in the stranglehold of the Lincoln Chaffees, the Log Cabin Republicans, the wide open borders crowd.
No thanks.
I won't. Believe it or not, I love him dearly and I think he's mad at other things and taking it our on Republicans. It just made me mad because I never send him anything religious or political because we are total opposites on these matters.
This, also is BS. It is written by somebody that doesn't know what the Constitution says, nor has any idea at all of the thoughts behind it.
You guys are giving me a lot of ammo for when I'm calm and can respond reasonably.
Me too. I would vote for them in a minute.
But, the Democrats are aristocrats as well. These rich landbarrons want to tell us "serfs" what we can do. They are the former KKK group who want the slaves to do all their work, while they take the credit!
They want all kinds of social programs, but they want us to work for them, and pay for them, while they sit around and gather accolades! We work in the mire and the muck, while they drink champagne at cocktail parties! We struggle to meet our bills, get our kids a bike at the second hand store, and fix it up, while they ride $7,000 bicycles!
It is utterly disgusting.
This joker talks about freedom, yet can he not see that Democratically appointed judges have taken the freedom of self rule away from the American people?!
In 1973 the Supreme Court imposed a law on the United States which was not brought forth by the people, nor proposed by their duly elected representatives. The court has continued to remove our right of self rule and impose their Tryranical opinons on Americans, when they void laws which the people have proposed and their representatives have passed.
Because of Democrats, today the government IS NOT BALANCED. We have less freedom and more bondage. These aristocrats feel that we are too stupid to rule ourselves.
Because of Democrats we are not free to even THINK contrary to their opinions. Now they have outlawed FREE THOUGHT! They outlaw our thoughts and call it "hate crimes".
Our age looks a bit like the 1960s before everything went bad. Things may come apart soon enough, but for the time being, we're lucky to live in a country that is so much less troubled than it was in the 1970s. It's a very unreal time, and people have forgotten what government -- especially liberal Democrat administrations -- can do to them.
So it looks as though your brother is a Democrat because a strong Republican party has taken away the bad consequences of liberalism by promoting a strong defense, keeping taxes and inflation low, putting a lid on government spending, and holding the loony left at bay. Well, I suppose that's a valid political option, but it's nothing to boast about. If his own party won in a landslide sweep -- if the real Democrats got the upper hand -- he'd certainly have enough real problems to complain about. If the country really faced a real threat from the left, Republicans would certainly be able to mobilize and counter it. It's not that the party has failed or will fail on the important things, but that in winning, it can't help but suffer some leakage or seepage to the other side.
How to counter him? Well, if he really gets upset at regulations and interference with his private life, I doubt he'll be happy with Democrats in office. So he'll learn sooner or later ...
Currently, the Republican Party is in a stranglehold from the religious right. Because of this they are no longer the party of individual rights. Given their way they would stop us from doing almost everything. The damn blue noses would make us give up drinking if they could, but so far they have not been successful, so instead they continue to harass us to death with DWI and other anti-alcohol legislation. Now, there is even a nationwide seat belt law...
There is no evidence that Republican have bluer noses in this regard. Look at solidly Democratic cities like NYC. No cell phones while driving, no smoking in bars, click it or ticket. Until recently, there was no dancing in bars by the patrons if the bar didn't have a dancing license. Democratic New Jersey? No more "ladies night" across the river because it is "discriminatory." Please name one prominent Republican who would ban "ladies night."
I haven’t even gotten into pro-choice and the plethora of other decisions that have been or would be taken away from me; stem cell research, genetic engineering, assisted suicide.
With the exception of assisted suicide, the arguments for these issues hinge on what constitutes "another person," not what you can do with your own person. And as far as assisted suicide goes, the goverment gets involved because it is one person deliberately killing another, with only the former party left as witness to what actually happened. It would be idiocy to give legal sanction to this activity because many, many assisted suicides would be indistiguishable from homicides. If you want to commit sucide, go ahead, but if you involve someone else, the State is going to have to expend resources to figure out what the hell happened when there is a dead body and someone standing over it.
One of the major differences between the United States and the Middle East is the separation of church and state. If the conservatives had their way I would not even be allowed to teach evolution in my science class.
The government is forbidden from using its power to establish a church. It is not forbidden from passing laws which may have a basis in religious thought. The abolition of slavery, as a historical matter, was religiously inspired. A dumb law forbidding the discussion of evolution in a certain county school is unfortunate, but not the same as Sharia law. Public school curricula are contentious because that is the nature of the beast, but if you want to start your own school that teaches nothing but evolution 24 hours a day, no one, absolutely no one will stop you. Contrast this with trying to set up a private Jewish school in Saudi Arabia.
I would have to teach their Christian fairly tale of Creation in my science class as if it were science. The U.S. Attorney General, John Ashcroft, is a fundamentalist Christian.
Ad hominem argument, or argument by label. Joe Lieberman is supposedly an Orthodox Jew. How far would I get with the argument against one of Lieberman's policy initiatives by saying, "Think about it. Joe Lieberman is a Jew. I mean, he goes to Temple."
He has tried in every way to inject Christian beliefs into the political arena.
Hyperbole.
He threatened Oregon with loss of fund because of their laws on assisted suicide.
What with this thing with assisted suicide? Again, if you are so keen to bump yourself off, feel free. I'm sure there are circumstances that are painfully gray, but if you wake up each morning bummed out that you won't be able to formally enlist your local doctor's help in administering a lethal dose of cyanide to yourself should you find yourself in dire straits, I would suggest that you have a preternaturally abstract and gloomy outlook on such things. Look, if you are terminally ill and want to go off in a haze of morphine, the State will probably look the other way. They just don't want to set in motion a formal process whereby Person A can legally off Person B when Person B poses no threat to person A. Plus, a successful suicide is by definition a one-time event, so stop sweating it.
He, along with G.W. Bush, have given millions of US taxpayers dollars to church supported charities that push the Christian agenda.
That's an argument for reducing the power of the central goverment. It's the Democrats that promote the idea that the central goverment is suppose to solve social problems. This is the current administration's effort to cater to that expectation.
Muslims do not separate church and state. Their religion and their politics are inexorably intertwined. Our country was based on separating the two and until recently we were pretty good about it. Christian fundamentalist, like the Muslims would have us mix the two. Hell, even the Pope got into the act and said Catholic politicians must incorporate Christian ideas into their politics. In fact, some priests have refused John Kerry communion because he is pro-choice. The tyranny of mixing government and religion is so pervasive and pandemic in world history that you would think we would have learned by now to avoid that petard. Not the religious zealots of this current administration. They would have us back in the Middle Ages along with the Muslims.
This is just plain stupid. No one is holding a gun to these politicians' heads and saying, "You've gotta be Catholic." The Church isn't a social club. You don't like their rules? Leave! There's the door! It's kind of like the Chess club kicking you out when you not only refuse to play chess, but you bad mouth the activity at every opportunity. The chess club would have every right to ask you to knock it off or suffer restrictions on your membership.
Also, at what point does the banning of religious thought from the public square become a de facto violation of "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"? The club of States that have energetically tried to eradicate religion include the Nazis and the communists with 100 million dead between them. If we are going to look to history for examples of tyranny, the Socialists have totally outclassed the theocrats, not that I like either group.
Now lets look at the money. The Republican Party, the former fiscal party, now spends more then any Democrat every thought of spending. I am including a graph here to show the spending of the different presidents since 1976. As you can see, starting with Jimmy Carter in 1977, the National Debt was starting downward and was around $90 billion. It rose dramatically starting with Ronald Reagan in 1981and by 1985 was $280 Billion! An increase of 300%. George Bush continued the trend and by 1991 the debt had risen to over $430 billion! Almost 5X’s that of Carter, and 2X that of even the free spending Reagan!
Reagan didn't spend a dime. Congress holds the purse strings. Under Reagan, revenues went up even with the tax cuts, but the Democrats in Congress voted for more spending for social programs above and beyond the revenue increase. If you don't like the graph, complain to Tip O'Neill about it. Gingrich made an honest effort in Congress to curtail spending, and for that he was demonized by the media and the Democrats.
Clinton, following all modern democrats reduced the debt. George W. has even managed to outspend his father. Given the war in the Middle East the estimated debt by 2006 is expected to be $600 billion!
New York City lost $100 billion in one hour with the terrorist attacks on September 11. So, what this is saying is that Clinton would have saved money afterward by doing nothing substantial about it. Call me crazy, but I like deficits better than jumping of the 42nd floor of the building in New York where I work.
It is still true that Republicans will never invest in the people but give them a weapon system, any weapon system and they will spend like crazy!
It is the goverment's primary job to "provide for the common defense." Even if 100% of the federal budget was devoted to that goal and perhaps maintaining the Interstate highway, I wouldn't have an issue with that. What does it mean, to "invest in people", anyway? That's what the Soviet Union was all about. (Thanks, Ronny!)
[blah, blah, blah]...The Republican Party was the party that defended personal liberties and fiscally responsibility, at least in 1966. No more. The roles of the two parties have totally reversed. It is now the Democrats that stand for personal liberties and fiscal responsibility. My aims are the same; it is the parties that changed.
Even with the wartime spending, most goverment spending is by far done by Health and Human Services, and the Commerce Dept. and foreign aid and the like. At least with Pentagon spending you eventually get cool planes. What have we gotten for Johnson's $1,000,000,000,000 "War on Poverty"?
I was recently forwarded an e-mail that ran down John Kerry. You know, he is that guy that won the Silver Star in Nam. They ran the man down because of all of the weapon systems he had voted against. It sure guaranteed him my vote.
And that my friends, is how an old conservative goes from republican to democrat.
Don't let the door hit you on your way out.
Thanks, I'm getting more and more ides for reasoned debate.
ROTFLMAO! You just gave me a good gift idea for the whacked-out liberals at my work.
Where in the hell do you find prayer rugs? Ebay? LOL
I just happened to have another browser open on Ebay and yep, they've got 'em. LOL
I just found them too! LOL! Man I better bid on some before all the Freepers drive up the price!
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