Threat Matrix: Daily Terror Threat - Thread Ten

Yahoo News ^ | 6-10-04 | AP

[JustPiper]

And this one Ma:

Nine Nuclear Scientists Slip Out of Pakistan

Special SAT Report

KARACHI: At least nine senior Pakistani Nuclear Scientists have secretly absconded from Pakistan, the latest defection taking place as late as in July 2002, documents from Pakistan's nuclear power plant CHASNUPP, built with Chinese assistance at Chashma in central Pakistan, have revealed.

Eight of the nine absconders were "Senior Engineers" at CHASNUPP and one was an Assistant Engineer. Four of them belonged to the Operations Division of the power plant, two to the Mechanical Maintenance Division and one each to Electrical, Technical and Training Divisions. Many of them are CNS Fellows while others got their fellowship from Karachi Nuclear Power Plant, KANUPP. Six disappeared between February to October 2000, one in April 1997 and two in 2002.

The details about these defections were revealed in an innocent looking memo sent by the engineers of CHASNUPP to their higher authorities warning them that “many more” nuclear scientists were "planning to run” from the country because they were not getting a fair deal in Pakistan.

The Memo which gave a list of the nine absconders only speculated that these engineers had gone to USA, Canada or Australia but in fact they could have gone to any country as they left without permission or informing the authorities. Click to View List

There are some 250 nuclear engineers and scientists working at CHASNUPP. Most of them are unhappy with their salaries and other benefits and are thus looking for openings to leave the country quietly, as the Government of Pakistan would never allow them to go and work for some other country.

“The working conditions of these nuclear scientists should be a cause for grave concern to everyone as unhappy engineers at nuclear facilities could mean troubles of all kinds,” a retired Pakistani nuclear scientist told South Asia Tribune in Karachi.

The situation is ripe for any country needing their services to offer them a reasonable package and most will quietly disappear, traveling on passports which would not reveal their qualifications or experience. Pakistani passports normally do not mention the specific field of employment and it is easy to get replacement passports or even to conceal the real identity.

The engineers were getting so restless that some of them decided to write a detailed Memo pointing out the main problems being faced by them at the remote facility. Copies of the Memo were made available to the SA Tribune in Karachi by some of the relatives of the unhappy employees. Click to View Memo (copy quality not good) Page1 | Page2

A look at the Memo reveals that these engineers are being kept in Chashma as if they were in a “detention camp” because they are required to work 11 hours a day, seven days a week. “They work Monday to Sunday from 7.30 a.m. to 6.30 p.m. and sometimes many of them are called for emergency duty,” a concerned relative said, handing over a copy of the Office Order issued late in September this year. It confirmed that every one was required to work for 77 hours a week. Click to View Office Order

They are not allowed to keep their families in Chashma and scientists who are below Grade-20 are not being allowed even telephone facilities, the Memo reveals. Almost 90 per cent of the engineers fall in grades lower than 20.

The Memo of the Engineers warns that taking such heavy duty at such a sensitive facility could result in a major catastrophe. “As per IAEA, Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission (PAEC) and CHASNUPP regulations, (authorities) are bound to implement the 40 hours limit … Engineers are called for emergency duty and working hours easily touch 90 hours a week,” the Memo complains.

“Due to these extra abnormal working hours, the safety of the plant is in a dangerous position,” it warns reminding the authorities of the Chernobyl and Three-Mile Nuclear disasters in Soviet Union and USA.

There has been no immediate improvement in their working conditions, despite the Memo which shows that Pakistan’s nuclear manpower is now almost ready to disperse throughout the world, even to rogue nations needing their expertise.

The list of senior engineers who left the country for greener pastures mostly includes scientists who had at least two years of training from China and were highly qualified to run the power plant.

The cost of training such an engineer, as estimated by the CHASNUPP scientists themselves is Rs. 9 million per engineer in a 7 to 8 year period. Each person lost is a huge blow to the Pakistani nuclear establishment but working conditions and salaries are not being improved to keep them engaged.

For the rest of the world this is a scary situation as Pakistan could easily become the feeding ground for nuclear activities any where as Pakistani official wage structures are far less than any rich country with nuclear ambitions may offer, specially oil-rich states or organizations like Al Qaeda.

“The scientists of CHASNUPP have sounded the warning bell for the Pakistani authorities. They have to look after this sensitive resource and not push it to the edge. Otherwise it could mean disaster for the country,” the retired nuclear scientist warned.

[Cindy]

You both did a wonderful job.
I enjoyed the Laurie Roth show.
Nothing could make me mad.
(Modification....someone would have
to try hard to make me mad. smiling...)

[Revel]

DID anyone see this from Jill's site
(This is just a small part of it):


They O brother they will go out ... Soon they are hit ... A hitting it makes forget the disbelief country the precedents and the debris ... A hitting will make living them painful fear in the dark .... And Al-Motasem .. Ascends its face the smiling of its support . He will triumph ... He will triumph ... He said the god that will triumph ... And she flutters over the clouds heads .. The monotheism flag .. A pure . the unification of a right no hypocrisy .. Allah is the greatest .. No disunity ..Allah is the greatest .. Allah is the greatest ...
Oh Allah support them a supported victory .. Oh Allah support them a supported victory ..
Oh Allah help us with their support .. Oh Allah help us with their support ..
All of us will die ... Then choose to yourself you death wealth ..
The caliphate is close ... Then did talk yourself with the participation in its replacement !!...

http://www.homelandsecurityus.net/the%20region%20fate.htm

[MamaDearest]

Thank you JP for your good words and we should be calling you PromotionPiper from here on in. We need all the help we can get and you did a superb job of letting everyone know what we are about! You're the best!

[JustPiper]

We are all Patriots here -g-

We all wake up every morning and we see a beautiful sunrise and ask ourselves with dread "Is today the day?"

When I hear sirens, choppers I go into "Hold My Breath Mode" and as we all do with any unusual circumstances we face. We face with fear.

The tears we all shed of remembering 911 and my prayers will I see my next granddaughter born next month are on my mind everyday. I thank God for each day we wake up and the another day we've had together.

Like now sirens have been going off for an hr or two {we are the very Windy city tonight, storms approaching again!}
and I look out my window at Sears Tower wondering. Today I saw it was still standing and smiled.

We all have a common ground and love for this country and are dedicated. So I would like to say thank you to all of YOU! For all the hard work you all do and the loyality to this thread!

[Donna Lee Nardo]

I am also waiting for a translation of another message over at IH. The Arabic appears to have the word NUKE in it....

[JustPiper]

See your a radio professional, this was my first, but you were so right, how easy Laurie made it. I thought it went well, the give and take to me was great!

[FairOpinion]

Here is another piece of news that is not getting much attention:


French police warn terror poison (ricin) may be in UK
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1159112/posts

French investigators have been trying to track down dozens of the small containers of ricin, suspected to have been made in a makeshift laboratory in Lyon by Menad Benchellali, who was arrested during police raids 18 months ago.

The paper reported that French sources said samples of the ricin allegedly produced by Benchellali had been found in Britain and that several jars were unaccounted for.

[JustPiper]

Thanks for asking Ma

What Laurie is interested in is what signs are leading to what attacks

And what can we do to stop them or what should our response be

[Quix]

Sounds like a midnight Mainland sabateur, to me.

[JustPiper]

Ma, you are ageless and priceless!

[JustPiper]

Sweetie, after hearing I need to protect myself, figured Piper was a good name to use so everyone knows me but not those lurking who wish to do us harm

My 17 yr old daughter and 30 yr old daughter give me love and support and yeppers they were proud ;)

[Calpernia]

OOOKaaay.

I'm about 1,000 posts behind now...

Just finished with my emails...

And it is after 1:00am.

How am I suppose to catch up?

::cries::

And I have an agenda for tomorrow already :(

::screams::

[Revel]

Please post it here when you get it. Goodnight.

[JustPiper]

LINK QUEEN

Queen Cindy
She is beautiful and strong in spirit. Queen of her realm TM

[JustPiper]

Better still Hope take a listen to hours 1 and 2 here tomorrow:

http://home.comcast.net/%7Edrljroth/index.html

And no more lurking! Post! ;)

[nw_arizona_granny]

I didn't have the Internet until July 1999, when I traded my Cream Separator and a Black Powder Squirrel rifle for this one and work on my cooler.

When you are hot and bored and already becoming a shut in, then you take what is offered.

I was listening to radio and talk shows and reading what I could and it kept sticking with me.

Of course, I didn't miss the clintoon reports either.

I did start keeping one line notes about then, as I started noticing that patterns were forming.

I also followed a series of child abductions for months, all 8 to 10 years old, girls, in Calif, Nevada and Colorado. There was even an attempt on my street.

One morning, I suddenly knew the rest of the story and found what I had. I called the Sheriff, but got labeled a kook, how can granny with an AM radio start putting a case together, so they never called back.

Some will recall the little girl who escaped from a car that she had been in for a week in the San Francisco Area, she got loose and jumped in a Truckers open window, when he slowed to back into the loading dock, at like 3 AM (I want to hug him), she screamed at the trucker he will kill us go and he did, with the creep in chase.

Thankful for cell phones, as the police joined the chase and when the man was captured, they found gas receipts for the towns/states with the dates of the other missing girls, but not the girls.

Except for the first that I started following, the little Hawaiian girl in San Francisco, the mothers boyfriend was the last seen with her and he is a friend of the above man.

This girls body was finally found.

So, even tho, I couldn't prove it to the cops and I didn't know who the man was, I did know. That is how I know we can do anything we want to do, if we stick with it and don't let the relatives put us in Calpernia's straight jacket.

I have always been a reader and never did real well at the neighborhood coffee klatches, I don't like reliving child birth and think if your partner is "that bad" either a divorce or a 2 x 4, will cure the problem.........

I will have to dig up the name of the Iraq scientist that has ties to Plum Island.

We are going to find that the terrorists have had free run of the island for years and tie them to the clintoons too.

Not hard to do, they are already linked to everything bad that has happened to us for years.

I didn't catch the h. clinton link until today, the link that I posted and the other report (yours I think), there is no reason that she jumped on the Plum Island problem so fast, unless it means trouble to her.

I honestly think this is the first time that I have seen a report on h. clinton, that had her doing the correct thing.

And if anyone thinks that I am doing anything, please know that there are many of this group, that are doing far more than my granny dabbling.......

That is the ones who deserve the thanks, not me for bumbling around and making a lot of noise.

[JustPiper]

Niters V!

[Revel]

A little more from the link I posted above before I go to bed:

@ the madness before the withdrawal :
# the greatest hitting appeared in America or its outside !
# the coming greatest hitting is its consequences and their traces : do they be dropping or no .
# the hitting influence extent on the directions of the falcons .
# Europe choices of the exploitation of the consequences of the greatest hitting of their interest, and the way of the interaction with each probability .
# a state of the non international stability and dispersion of the United Nations holding .
# after the hitting : the withdrawal of America and its submission for a truce on condition of the securing of the continuation of the supplies of the oil or the occupation of the region about the pulley of its father .
# in case its occupation of the region :
___The probability of its withdrawal from Afghanistan, and its ignition of the war between India and Pakistan .
___ The importance of the cutting off of the supplies of the oil from the region whole, with the continuation of the military exhaustion .
___ The other international powers and their entrance fidgeted for the war with the United States or against it in case they cast it the promises of the continuation of the flow of the oil after the defeat of America in the region .
# in a state its non desire or its non ability on the occupation of the region :
___ The appointment of the lying Islamists on the region thrones and the scenarios of this appointment .
___ The continuation of the battles against the apostates .
___ Its compulsion into the intervention in the region and Al Ithkhan strategy are in it .

[JustPiper]

Thats odd the link on page one lead me to:

http://www.homelandsecurityus.net/