Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Bush in Meeting with Pope: "Not all the bishops are with me"
National Catholic Reporter ^ | 6/10/2004 | John L. Allen

Posted on 06/11/2004 11:03:26 AM PDT by sinkspur

During his June 4 visit, Bush asked the Vatican to push the American Catholic bishops to be more aggressive politically on family and life issues, especially a constitutional amendment that would define marriage as a union between a man and a woman.

A Vatican official told NCR June 9 that in his meeting with Cardinal Angelo Sodano and other Vatican officials, Bush said, “Not all the American bishops are with me” on the cultural issues. The implication was that he hoped the Vatican would nudge them toward more explicit activism.

Other sources in the meeting said that while they could not recall the president’s exact words, he did pledge aggressive efforts on the cultural front, especially the battle against gay marriage, and asked for the Vatican’s help in encouraging the U.S. bishops to be more outspoken.

According to sources, Sodano did not respond to the request.

Sources say Bush made the remark after Sodano thanked him for his stand on the issues of family and life. They also said that while Bush was focusing primarily on the marriage question, he also had in mind other concerns such as abortion and stem cell research.

Bush supports a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage and has urged Congress to take swift action. Since polls show that in several battleground states in the fall election a majority of voters is opposed to gay marriage, some Bush analysts think an aggressive push on the issue will help the president’s prospects.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: catholicchurch; catholiclist; georgewbush; popejohnpaulii; vaticanvisit
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-38 next last

1 posted on 06/11/2004 11:03:28 AM PDT by sinkspur
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: sinkspur

Sad day when a Methodist from Texas has to urge US Catholic Bishops to preach the teachings of the Catholic Church.


2 posted on 06/11/2004 11:05:56 AM PDT by jwalsh07
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer; Salvation

For your ping lists. Interesting.


3 posted on 06/11/2004 11:06:47 AM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: sinkspur


POTUS is a GOOD man.
He is steadfast.


4 posted on 06/11/2004 11:09:12 AM PDT by onyx
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jwalsh07

Isn't it? When it comes to being cynical politicians, Catholic churchmen have everybody else beat all hollow.


5 posted on 06/11/2004 11:11:08 AM PDT by Argus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: jwalsh07

The Vatican should stay as far away from the U.S. political scene as possible, for a number of reasons. First and foremost is the risk of destroying their credibility when they push the U.S. bishops toward one candidate on "life issues," only to have that candidate later nominate some dopey sh!t like Sandra O'Connor or David Souter to the U.S. Supreme Court.


6 posted on 06/11/2004 11:41:30 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium . . . sed ego sum homo indomitus")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: sinkspur
“Not all the American bishops are with me” on the cultural issues.

Sad that what President Bush says is true. Sigh.....

7 posted on 06/11/2004 11:52:02 AM PDT by Gerish (Choose God, he has already chosen you.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: sinkspur

Oh, wow! Bush bump needed here!

Give credit where credit is due.


8 posted on 06/11/2004 11:53:03 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GatorGirl; maryz; *Catholic_list; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; Askel5; livius; ...

Ping. Rome hears from the President.


9 posted on 06/11/2004 11:53:16 AM PDT by narses (If you want ON or OFF my Catholic Ping List email me. +)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: sinkspur; *Catholic_list; father_elijah; nickcarraway; SMEDLEYBUTLER; Siobhan; Lady In Blue; ...
Catholic Discussion Ping!

Please notify me via FReepmail if you would like to be added to or taken off the Catholic Discussion Ping List.

10 posted on 06/11/2004 11:54:50 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: sinkspur

The democratic party hired detectives to unearth all the homosexual skeletons lurking in the closets of the hierarchy of the American Catholic Church.

Blackmail is the main reason that only a tiny handfull of AmChurch officials have challenged pro-abortion democrat politicians.

Sounds like President Bush is trying to clue in the Vatican on this not-very-well-kept-DC-secret, but the Pope is too far gone to understand.


11 posted on 06/11/2004 11:56:43 AM PDT by karenbarinka (......if Mel can forgive you, maybe I can too.....someday.....not today.....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: karenbarinka
The democratic party hired detectives to unearth all the homosexual skeletons lurking in the closets of the hierarchy of the American Catholic Church.

Karen, you're still just as paranoid as ever.

12 posted on 06/11/2004 12:00:35 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: sinkspur

From the President's lips to God's ears. No wonder so many of conservative Catholics are voting for him!


13 posted on 06/11/2004 12:01:39 PM PDT by TonyInOhio ("The world mourns the passing of the Great Liberator.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TonyInOhio
Some words from another President:

"We cannot diminish the value of one category of human life — the unborn — without diminishing the value of all human life," Reagan wrote.

14 posted on 06/11/2004 12:03:03 PM PDT by jwalsh07
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: sinkspur
“Not all the American bishops are with me”

Is Allen absolutely SURE that Bush said this to JPII?

Or was it the reverse?

15 posted on 06/11/2004 12:43:13 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ninenot
Bush said it to Sodano, not JPII.

And, this is the recollection of a "Vatican source." Most of Allen's sources have been very good.

Besides, it sounds like something Bush would say.

16 posted on 06/11/2004 12:44:41 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: sinkspur
Well, I'll say this...you can be sure that he's not talking about Bp. Sheridan or Abp. Burke.

There are a couple of cardinals that come to mind, though...

17 posted on 06/11/2004 12:49:30 PM PDT by B Knotts
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: ninenot
>>>Is Allen absolutely SURE that Bush said this to JPII? Or was it the reverse?

LOL.

>>>Besides, it sounds like something Bush would say.

Or perhaps the Pope could say. ;-)

patent

18 posted on 06/11/2004 12:51:22 PM PDT by patent (A baby is God's opinion that life should go on. Carl Sandburg)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: sinkspur

Sorry, meant to bump you to my last post.

patent


19 posted on 06/11/2004 12:51:58 PM PDT by patent (A baby is God's opinion that life should go on. Carl Sandburg)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: ninenot
Or was it the reverse?

It seems to be right either way!

20 posted on 06/11/2004 1:01:24 PM PDT by Campion
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-38 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson