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Former officials to condemn Bush foreign policy
Newsday ^ | Sunday, June 13, 2004 | AP

Posted on 06/13/2004 2:27:55 PM PDT by quixote2005

Edited on 06/13/2004 2:34:23 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

WASHINGTON -- Angered by Bush administration policies they contend endanger national security, 26 retired U.S. diplomats and military officers are urging Americans to vote President Bush out of office in November.

The group, which calls itself Diplomats and Military Commanders for Change, does not explicitly endorse Democrat John Kerry for president in its campaign, which will start officially Wednesday at a Washington news conference.

The Bush-Cheney campaign said Sunday it would have no response until the group formally issues its statement at the news conference.

Among the group are 20 ambassadors, appointed by both Democratic and Republican presidents, other former State Department officials and military leaders whose careers span three decades.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsday.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: clintonistas; demdiplomats; diplomats; dmcc; lefties; notanexcerpt; rinos

1 posted on 06/13/2004 2:27:56 PM PDT by quixote2005
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To: quixote2005

They should be ashamed of themselves.


2 posted on 06/13/2004 2:30:40 PM PDT by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: quixote2005
AIDS policy

I guess that $15 billion spent for AIDS in Africa isn't enough for liberals.

3 posted on 06/13/2004 2:32:43 PM PDT by BlkConserv
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To: quixote2005

Kerry is gonna love this and use it to his advantage.


4 posted on 06/13/2004 2:33:45 PM PDT by Ragirl (Vote in '04 ! Those who sit on their hands end up with poop on them.)
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To: quixote2005
Ooooo.. former Clinton appointees speaking out against Bush...
Who woulda thunk it?




The John Kerry Files

5 posted on 06/13/2004 2:35:08 PM PDT by counterpunch (<-CLICK HERE for my CARTOONS)
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To: quixote2005
Welcome to FR.

Why didn't the article at Newsweek list the 26 people? Would be nice to know who they are.

5.56mm

6 posted on 06/13/2004 2:38:03 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: M Kehoe
Newsday not Newsweek. Sheesh.

5.56mm

7 posted on 06/13/2004 2:38:44 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Ragirl
Kerry already knows about it:

Kerry Announces Sr. Military Advisory Grp of Retired Admirals & Generals

8 posted on 06/13/2004 2:39:23 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: quixote2005
He said the group was disillusioned by Bush's handling of the war in Iraq and a list of other subjects, including the Middle East, environmental conservation, AIDS policy, ethnic and religious conflict and weapons proliferation.

This sounds like a jumble of leftist crap to me. I think if they make their motivation clear when they issue the statement, most people who hear about it will see right through it.
9 posted on 06/13/2004 2:40:51 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: quixote2005
You can bet your last dollar that that slime McAuliffe is behind this. No matter though, this will all be taken out by Clinton and his ilk, who want no part in a BUSH defeat this fall.

It's great when the shanty neighbors get to brawling; all we have to do is sit and enjoy the riff-raff kill each other off.

10 posted on 06/13/2004 2:42:08 PM PDT by tenthirteen
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To: quixote2005

President Bush did in 1 year what we failed to do in 50 years sucking (very generously) off the public teat. Losers.

Yea, I wonder why they would be upset. Get real jobs.


11 posted on 06/13/2004 2:42:26 PM PDT by Joe_October (Saddam supported Terrorists. Al Qaeda are Terrorists. I can't find the link.)
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To: counterpunch

It's not just Clinton appointees -- I don't understand what's the matter with these people.

"Prominent members include retired Marine Gen. Joseph P. Hoar, commander of U.S. forces in the Middle East during the administration of Bush's father; retired Adm. William J. Crowe Jr., ambassador to Britain under President Clinton and chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under President Reagan; and Jack F. Matlock Jr., a member of the National Security Council under Reagan and ambassador to the Soviet Union from 1987 to 1991. "


12 posted on 06/13/2004 2:43:39 PM PDT by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

"Kerry already knows about it"

OH, NOW I SEE! Thanks for the link.


13 posted on 06/13/2004 2:44:55 PM PDT by Ragirl (Vote in '04 ! Those who sit on their hands end up with poop on them.)
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To: quixote2005

Did Newsday give the Swiftboat Veterans Against Kerry equal time??


14 posted on 06/13/2004 2:46:01 PM PDT by alnick (Goodbye, Mr. President.)
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To: quixote2005

Ah these are the same guys who thought that Ronald Reagan was pyschotic for calling the Soviet Union the evil empire...It gets tiring and oh soooo boring to hear the rabble howl


15 posted on 06/13/2004 2:46:51 PM PDT by jnarcus
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To: FairOpinion
Crowe was always a drunk and hoar lives up to his name. <P. Crowe was ambasador to the court of st james under klintoon.
16 posted on 06/13/2004 2:46:57 PM PDT by dts32041 (What is the exit strategy for Europe and Japan ? - I don't think there was one, we are still there..)
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To: quixote2005

News Advisory:

Diplomats and Military Commanders for Change, a group of retired ambassadors and senior military officers, will hold a Morning Newsmaker news conference Wednesday, June 16, at 8 a.m. EDT at the National Press Club (Zenger Room), 13th floor, 529 14th St., N.W., Washington, D.C.

The topic will be "The Need for Change in U.S. Foreign and Defense Policy."

The group includes former ambassadors Jeffrey Davidow, William DePree, Charles Freeman Jr., William Harrop, Arthur Hartman, H. Allen Holmes, Samuel Lewis, Princeton Lyman, Jack Matlock Jr., Donald McHenry, Richard Murphy, David Newsom, Phyllis Oakley, John Reinhardt, Ronald Spiers, Nicholas Veliotes and Alexander Watson; and Adm. William Crowe, Gen. Joseph Hoar and Adm. Stansfield Turner.

News Advisory:

Diplomats and Military Commanders for Change, a group of retired ambassadors and senior military officers, will hold a Morning Newsmaker news conference Wednesday, June 16, at 8 a.m. EDT at the National Press Club (Zenger Room), 13th floor, 529 14th St., N.W., Washington, D.C.

The topic will be "The Need for Change in U.S. Foreign and Defense Policy."

The group includes former ambassadors Jeffrey Davidow, William DePree, Charles Freeman Jr., William Harrop, Arthur Hartman, H. Allen Holmes, Samuel Lewis, Princeton Lyman, Jack Matlock Jr., Donald McHenry, Richard Murphy, David Newsom, Phyllis Oakley, John Reinhardt, Ronald Spiers, Nicholas Veliotes and Alexander Watson; and Adm. William Crowe, Gen. Joseph Hoar and Adm. Stansfield Turner.


17 posted on 06/13/2004 2:48:26 PM PDT by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: quixote2005

Fortunately for Jean sKerry active duty officers can't make political endorsements...


18 posted on 06/13/2004 2:49:52 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Retrosexual Vietnam veteran against John Kerry, proud to be a "crook" and a "liar.")
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To: FairOpinion
It's not just Clinton appointees -- I don't understand what's the matter with these people.

"Prominent members include retired Marine Gen. Joseph P. Hoar, commander of U.S. forces in the Middle East during the administration of Bush's father; retired Adm. William J. Crowe Jr., ambassador to Britain under President Clinton and chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under President Reagan; and Jack F. Matlock Jr., a member of the National Security Council under Reagan and ambassador to the Soviet Union from 1987 to 1991. "

Someone on another thread stated that those three are practicing sour grapes.

Hoar because Schwartzkopf got the job to direct Desert Storm. Crowe it seems is a political whore like David Gergen(who also took a job in the Clinton administartion).

19 posted on 06/13/2004 2:50:02 PM PDT by Dane
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To: FairOpinion

There is obviously a tension between some members of the first Bush Administration and the W's administration. Many of them belong to the liberal wing of the Republican Party which is not happy about being excluded from positions of power and influence. Bush II has cracked the egg of the status quo which they left in place after the Gulf War.


20 posted on 06/13/2004 2:51:12 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: quixote2005

Bet the press covers this alot more than they did with the Swift Boat crews....


21 posted on 06/13/2004 2:51:35 PM PDT by Jewels1091
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To: FairOpinion

The Bush Campaign, to whom freepers give money, had better have some sort of response beyond "We categorically reject this assertion." With all the money they have been given, why have they not put together their own array of senior officials, both Dem and GOP, to rebut?


22 posted on 06/13/2004 2:52:27 PM PDT by Owen
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To: quixote2005

So some striped-pants state department workers don't like Bush. Stop the presses!


23 posted on 06/13/2004 2:54:11 PM PDT by NYCVirago
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To: quixote2005

A lot depends on who's on the list. If it's just your standard sniveling Demos, no biggie. But if some credible Republicans sign the statement, their defection could dog Bush.


24 posted on 06/13/2004 2:55:50 PM PDT by beckett
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To: FairOpinion

If that is the total list, the damage should be minimal. No Republican heavyweights. Crowe has been a dunderhead on numerous issues so his defection is not that surprising.


25 posted on 06/13/2004 2:59:05 PM PDT by beckett
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To: FairOpinion

All you need to know is Stansfield Turner, the man who gutted the CIA's human intelligence capabilities for Jimmah Carter; and Wesley Clark. A real bunch of socialist UN-loving weenies.


26 posted on 06/13/2004 3:02:07 PM PDT by Bernard Marx (Is Karl Marx's grave a Communist plot?)
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To: Dane
Hoar because Schwartzkopf got the job to direct Desert Storm.

That claim was disproven on the other thread. Hoar left CENTCOM in June of 1990 as a Major General two months prior to the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. He wouldn't have been eligible to command Desert Shield/Storm.

27 posted on 06/13/2004 3:02:48 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Dane

>> "Prominent members include retired Marine Gen. Joseph P. Hoar, commander of U.S. forces in the Middle East during the administration of Bush's father;

Sure it was his name and not his occupation?


28 posted on 06/13/2004 3:03:24 PM PDT by debaryfl
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To: FairOpinion

All the rest were Clintonistas, I assume.


29 posted on 06/13/2004 3:04:41 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Owen

you're right owen, this getting beat over the head and not punching back had better stop if President Bush wants to be re-elected.


30 posted on 06/13/2004 3:05:38 PM PDT by wrathof59 (semper ubi sub ubi)
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To: debaryfl

Most general officers are more politician than warrior.


31 posted on 06/13/2004 3:05:41 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Retrosexual Vietnam veteran against John Kerry, proud to be a "crook" and a "liar.")
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To: debaryfl
"Prominent members include retired Marine Gen. Joseph P. Hoar"

"Sure it was his name and not his occupation?"

You made me laugh. It's probably both.

32 posted on 06/13/2004 3:32:59 PM PDT by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: quixote2005

Not to worry.. its just Hoar and his Hoar-mongers.


33 posted on 06/13/2004 3:37:00 PM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: quixote2005

When Kerry's Vietnam compatriots formed a group and had a press conference on how they felt he was unfit to lead the country, the news agencies didn't cover it all. They totally ignored the press conference.

No bias here.


34 posted on 06/13/2004 3:41:18 PM PDT by I still care
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To: quixote2005
"Former officials to condemn Bush foreign policy"

Related news:

"Al-Qaeda Blasts US Middle East Peace Initiative"
(Al Jazeera)

Need we say any more?

35 posted on 06/13/2004 3:44:42 PM PDT by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: FairOpinion

I bet that what's the matter with these people is Saudi money.


36 posted on 06/13/2004 3:45:39 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: beckett

anyone who would sign a statement alongside Stansfield Turner has no credibility whatsoever.


37 posted on 06/13/2004 3:47:53 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: piasa

That was my first thought. So, where are the Officers whom Clinton dismissed during his term? The ones who were in open rebellion against him? They should band together and counter this bunch of rabid America destroyers. If Kerry is elected - that is what we will see. America destroyed.


38 posted on 06/13/2004 4:24:33 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: clintonh8r

Agreed! As I and some of my friends refer to the polictical suck-ups in the military under Clinton as Knee-pad Generals...

Just like the Knee-Pad Judges causing all the trouble all over the country...

It depends what the word "is" is...


39 posted on 06/13/2004 5:27:24 PM PDT by Jerr (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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To: quixote2005

Your sure it's not the UN blue helmets...


40 posted on 06/13/2004 6:08:15 PM PDT by Milligan
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To: quixote2005

Now they have something to counter the fact that nearly all of Kerry's Military Commanders came out against him being elected President.


41 posted on 06/13/2004 6:44:08 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: quixote2005

Yawn. if they had any influence, they'd be using it in the system now. They're small potatoes.


42 posted on 06/13/2004 6:46:15 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I'm so glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: quixote2005

Michael M. Bates: My Side of the Swamp
43 posted on 06/13/2004 6:48:19 PM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: quixote2005
He said the group was disillusioned by Bush's handling of the war in Iraq and a list of other subjects, including the Middle East, environmental conservation, AIDS policy, ethnic and religious conflict and weapons proliferation.

What a bunch of lying leftist propaganda.

No, American President, no world leader has done MORE to fight AIDS than President Bush.

And I guess they're upset over the Middle East because Bush is seen as such a freind to Israel?

Their grievances sound like a bunch of leftist talking points and nothing more.

44 posted on 06/13/2004 6:50:00 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: quixote2005
People from all walks of life and every political party out there can rant and rave but they can't change these facts:

No western country has the resources to immunize itself from terrorists. By that I mean they cannot afford financially to secure everything that would have to be secured in order to make it safe. Any reasonably intelligent person would arrive at that conclusion pretty early on.

So what is at stake is in fact all of western civilization, as we know it.

So just what can the west do to combat this latest threat? What it must do: identify the source of the threat and eliminate it.

The type of operations involved are not particularly expensice, dollar wise. To the extent that other western nations wake up and realise that they are next, we will have a sharing in the human and financial costs of this war. Also, there is no other country on this planet that is better prepared to execute an operation of this type. I would not want to be one of the terrorists on Uncle Sam's hit list.

45 posted on 06/13/2004 7:10:10 PM PDT by fightu4it (conquest by immigration and subversion spells the end of US.)
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To: quixote2005

pure politics


46 posted on 06/13/2004 7:19:32 PM PDT by The Wizard (Democrats: enemies of America)
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To: quixote2005

Some of these, including Crowe, were early supporters of Clinton (and were correspondingly rewarded, as Crowe being made ambassador to Great Britian.)

To evaluate their insight and perception, consider national security and defense under Clinton - the sum total of which directly led to 9/11.

The very first "national defense" measure of Clinton was to attempt to force the U.S. Armed Forces to accept open gays - you undoubtedly recall the immediate fire-storm over this perfidious attempt (fire-storm from those other than Crowe and company).

The people who supported Clinton and now Kerry are not those whom we would want to entrust our lives to. Many, many of the very best military people, as well as the international specialists, will openly support Bush.


47 posted on 06/13/2004 7:23:47 PM PDT by mtntop3 ("Those who must know before they believe will never come to full knowledge.")
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To: quixote2005

A Fraternity of Appeasers.


48 posted on 06/13/2004 11:10:00 PM PDT by My2Cents (Godspeed, President Reagan....And thank you.)
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To: quixote2005

bttt


49 posted on 06/15/2004 6:36:32 AM PDT by fightu4it (conquest by immigration and subversion spells the end of US.)
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