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$100K+ is median home threshold
Long Beach Press-Telegram ^ | 6/17/2004 | Gregory J. Wilcox

Posted on 06/18/2004 7:45:41 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves

The minimum household income required to buy the median price home in California rose above $100,000 for the first time in April as affordability sank an annual 7 percentage points to 20 percent, a trade group reported Thursday.

The Housing Affordability Index compiled by the California Association of Realtors slipped one percentage point from March in response to rising mortgage rates and prices that hit record levels across most of the state in April.

Affordability will continue to decrease because price records were shattered again in May and rates, while still low by historical standards, continued moving up, said Leslie Appleton-Young, the association's vice president and chief economist.

"The gulf between the housing haves and have-nots is widening. Clearly people that have owned for the last three, four or five-plus years are very happy with their decision," she said.

Two months ago a household in California needed to earn at least $102,550 to buy a home priced at the median $453,590. That's based on a 30-year loan at 5.42 percent.

This year the average low rate was 5.38 percent for the week ending March 18 and has been climbing since. Freddie Mac's survey for the week ending today found rates averaging 6.32 percent.

By comparison, a minimum household income of $84,510 was required to buy a home priced at the median $364,040 in April 2003.

Nationwide the median price in April was $176,000 and the minimum income requirement was $39,790.

The association's affordability index is based on the percentage of households that could afford to purchase the median priced home in their community. The lowest point was 14 percent in the spring and summer of 1989, a time when prices were lower but interest rates much higher than now.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; realestate
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They are understating it. The old "three times your annual income" rule is the safer one to apply here, in California's high tax and insurance cost environment, meaning $150K income is required to buy that $450K house.

Mortgage company rule bending has put encouraged a lot of people who can only afford a $300K house to stretch beyond their means and buy a $600K house, with the result that all of the houses that used to sell for $300-$400K have zoomed right up in price to match the amount lenders are willing to loan. It's become very hard to get good value for the dollar in any house below a million dollars, with the rather freakish result (in the Bay Area, at least) that spending $700K-$800K will get you little more than a dumpy, forty-year-old tract home, but if you can manage to spend $1.2 million or more you can still get a large house that's more or less worth the price.

1 posted on 06/18/2004 7:45:41 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves
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To: Mr. Jeeves

I live in 300K house. Guess what it was worth in 1974 dollars. ;-)


2 posted on 06/18/2004 7:47:05 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
What you just have read is the beginning of the housing bubble bursting...
3 posted on 06/18/2004 7:49:22 AM PDT by 2banana (They want to die for Islam and we want to kill them)
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To: goldstategop

I have a pretty good idea. After my mom died in late 2002, I sold her house for $600K. She bought it in 1973 for $60K.


4 posted on 06/18/2004 7:49:54 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves
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To: Mr. Jeeves

The housing market bubble has been inflated with monopoly money. Just wait until rates start going up and people can't make their ARM payments.

Everything goes in cycles.


5 posted on 06/18/2004 7:51:20 AM PDT by petercooper (Now, who's this Joe Mayo everyone's talking about?)
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To: Mr. Jeeves; novacation
Appalling. My mother's modest ranch home is appraised at $479,000, and it wasn't worth the $158,000 she bought it for in 1998.

SoCal bump

6 posted on 06/18/2004 7:52:06 AM PDT by truthkeeper
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To: 2banana

interesting ... I wonder how it will play out in Texas.


7 posted on 06/18/2004 7:52:15 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Resolve to perform what you must; perform without fail that what you resolve.)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

For $453,590, in Alabama you can buy the whole trailer park.


8 posted on 06/18/2004 7:53:40 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I will never give up. So don't ask me.)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Mortgage company rule bending has put encouraged a lot of people who can only afford a $300K house to stretch beyond their means and buy a $600K house

I do mortgages for a living. Could you clue me into this "rule bending" so I can take advantage of it and get customers into homes selling for twice what they can afford and thus make myself twice as much money. Thanks!

9 posted on 06/18/2004 7:55:09 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: 2banana

According to the reports I've heard, this is not like the previous bubble we had and they are not expecting any "burst" in this market for at least another 10 years. During the earlier experience the prices went up even though there were lots of homes on the market. Now there actually aren't enough homes on the market and they say it will be that way for many more years.


10 posted on 06/18/2004 7:58:51 AM PDT by ZGuy
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To: ZGuy
Is this part of the Homeless problem? People living in their cars because there aren't enough houses? Here is a picture of my new alarm system.


11 posted on 06/18/2004 8:02:00 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I will never give up. So don't ask me.)
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To: ZGuy

Z,

Are we related?


12 posted on 06/18/2004 8:02:37 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I will never give up. So don't ask me.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

It may be closer than that -- we've never been seen together.


13 posted on 06/18/2004 8:08:23 AM PDT by ZGuy
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To: ZGuy
According to the reports I've heard, this is not like the previous bubble we had and they are not expecting any "burst" in this market for at least another 10 years. During the earlier experience the prices went up even though there were lots of homes on the market. Now there actually aren't enough homes on the market and they say it will be that way for many more years.

I go with the common sense test - most reports are wrong (how many predicted anything in the way of stock market crashes when amazon.com was at $350/share?). When you need earn at least $100,000/year to buy a nothing house with rates going up, it means either:

1. People will stop buying or wait
2. People will start getting out when the getting is good - can you believe I sold that shack for $450,000 just a few years ago?
3. People will not be able to afford the houses they are in
4. Yes, I know, they stopped making real eastate a long time ago - but they still make people the same way - and they usually make decision on fear and greed...and fear is about to replace greed.

14 posted on 06/18/2004 8:09:06 AM PDT by 2banana (They want to die for Islam and we want to kill them)
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To: goldstategop

California and other hyperinflated markets are in HUGE housing bubbles... and will be popping soon.

What's going on, and why?

Simple, with the bombing of the stock market, many people decided to move to real estate.. didn't bother to get any education and are basically being "appreciation sluts"... that means, they are buying anything at any price regardless of whether it cash flows today because of anticipated appreciation over short time. In many parts of Cali (and other areas) a few years of appreciation has meant 100k or equity or more.

Who cares if the thing doesn't cashflow for you.. just wait for appreciation to make you rich....

Secondly, unprecidented low mortgage rates have allowed people to pay more for houses and get lower payments... so this too has pushed prices higher.

I know people in places of cali that are paying 300-400k for duplexes that will only rent for $600 a unit.. absolutely insane.

Now when interest rates rise, you are going to see a lot of people get whiped out and a lot of paper equity in houses disappear as well..... It won't be pretty, and just like the stock bubble the jump on the bandwagon folks who are completely uneducated an inexperienced are going to lose their shirts.


15 posted on 06/18/2004 8:09:54 AM PDT by HamiltonJay ("You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.")
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To: 2banana
When you need earn at least $100,000/year to buy a nothing house

Not for all of America, just in a a few select areas.

16 posted on 06/18/2004 8:11:00 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: 2banana

What I envision is that houses will keep selling, but since this is California, the houses will be purchased by multiple "non-european" families living with 15 people per house. The raids recently where they found 90+ illegals living in a house were actually test cases.


17 posted on 06/18/2004 8:12:51 AM PDT by ZGuy
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To: ZGuy

I heard that argument in the Bay Area just before the tech boom went bust when houses were appreciating 20% a year... then the bubble burst, and mass exodus and houses started falling at 40% a year.... Believe me, California real estate is headed for a burst.


18 posted on 06/18/2004 8:13:19 AM PDT by HamiltonJay ("You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.")
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To: Conspiracy Guy
For $453,590, in Alabama you can buy the whole trailer park.

Or a whole city in Arkansas.

19 posted on 06/18/2004 8:14:03 AM PDT by Lurking in Kansas (* * *This space available for rent * * *)
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To: HamiltonJay

I just reported what I heard. We aren't planning on moving for 20 years or so, so I'm just going along for the ride whatever happens.


20 posted on 06/18/2004 8:16:01 AM PDT by ZGuy
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