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LIVE THREAD: Spaceship One Launch
6/20/04

Posted on 06/20/2004 6:06:19 PM PDT by KevinDavis

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To: atomic conspiracy
The Left is wasting their breath bashing private space travel. Rutan just proved that tax money isn't needed to fund such adventures, and they can't ban launches made from over the high seas...an area that the White Knight can easily fly to before dropping a spaceship for a launch from 50,000 feet.

The space genie is now out of the bottle. Even the mighty Left can't legislate it back.

781 posted on 06/22/2004 8:12:59 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Criminal Number 18F
They are all pretty conservative.

No kidding, I had the impression that Rutan was more of a libertarian, npr lefty. That is great, he's a good one to have on our side

Are you an EZ owner?

782 posted on 06/22/2004 8:15:12 AM PDT by Dead Dog (Expose the Media to Light, Expose the Media to Market Forces.)
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To: atomic conspiracy; Southack; RightWhale

According to Paul Harvey this morning, NASA is impressed enough with the results of the X-prize that they are talking about funding similar prizes and letting private industry fight it out.

I think it might have been Dr. Robert Zubrin who pushed idea on his onw, and insuto resource based Mars missions. Looks like he's won two now.


783 posted on 06/22/2004 8:36:19 AM PDT by Dead Dog (Expose the Media to Light, Expose the Media to Market Forces.)
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To: Southack

I think the Left hates and fears private spaceflight precisely because the more progress it makes, the harder it is to regulate and control.
Taken to its logical extreme, centuries in the future, distant space communities will likely be almost immune to centralized regulation of any kind.

There is also the matter of resource allocation as a rationale for tight control, the Left's reason for being. The Left thrives in an environment of scarce resources, limited opportunity, and (quite literally) closed frontiers. True, meaning profitable, expansion into space completely destroys this rationale.


784 posted on 06/22/2004 8:37:56 AM PDT by atomic conspiracy (A few words for the media: Julius Streicher, follow his path, share his fate.)
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To: Criminal Number 18F

Thanks for the update on the fate of the Starship. Sad to learn that there is only one flying. Back in the day, Beechcraft ran some slick ads in The Wall Street Journal linking the Starship's heritage to the Staggerwing of an earlier era.


785 posted on 06/22/2004 8:39:40 AM PDT by kilowhskey
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To: ChadGore

Thanks, and yeah, I'll be there at OSH. Wouldn't miss it!

I usually get there a couple days early. This year I might be a little late because I have to attend at least session of the Vietnam Myths conference in Boston (I promised Steve Sherman) which is the same week.

http://viet-myts.com/

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F


786 posted on 06/22/2004 8:46:14 AM PDT by Criminal Number 18F
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To: Dead Dog
I had the impression that Rutan was more of a libertarian, npr lefty.

Libertarian probably fairly describes him, but a right libertarian, not a left one.

He also has a tendency to "join a minority group." For instance, he uses all kinds of computers but still favour Macs. In fact, the primary data display in his Boomerang is (or was, he's always futzing with it) a Mac laptop. His son did the computer programmming -- quite the whiz, as bright as Dad in a different field.

Are you an EZ owner?

Naw. I love them but they have one achilles' heel, short fields. Although some guy landed one in a tiny parking lot in Chicago once... at night... deadstick... and stopped it in about 150 feet. I couldn't duplicate that feat, unless maybe I was loaded with the adrenaline he had that night.

I also want a gyro to play with, but can't decide if I want the innovative open-frame Monarch or the safety-oriented two-place Sparrowhawk. Both are great machines made by great guys. Right now, no medical (temporarily) so I ain't flyin' nothin'.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

787 posted on 06/22/2004 8:54:57 AM PDT by Criminal Number 18F
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To: Criminal Number 18F
I always did like the guy. Him and John Roncz are a couple of contrarians. How did you get so familiar with the RAF/Scaled guys?

I'd looked at long-Ez's also. Great airplane, but they seem a bit spooky on less then 2500 ft strips. My local airport is 1900 ft and a cliff.

I hear you on the medical. My dad has to fight for his after having an angioplasty and cancer, my mother just had an aneurysm. There days in aviation may be numbered...unless the sport pilot thing goes through.

788 posted on 06/22/2004 9:10:28 AM PDT by Dead Dog (Expose the Media to Light, Expose the Media to Market Forces.)
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To: Dead Dog
Dr. Robert Zubrin who pushed idea on his ownw, and insuto resource based Mars missions

His best idea was to conduct a manned Mars landing to finally end terrorism.

789 posted on 06/22/2004 9:15:24 AM PDT by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: RightWhale
???? How so?

By returning their stupid blarney stone to it's point of origin?
790 posted on 06/22/2004 9:19:26 AM PDT by Dead Dog (Expose the Media to Light, Expose the Media to Market Forces.)
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To: atomic conspiracy

You will have seen nothing until the battle over private property rights gets going. That's always been the stopper to space development once technology got beyond a certain point. Licenses and permits from innumerable agencies to even leave the ground are child's play in comparison.


791 posted on 06/22/2004 9:20:20 AM PDT by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: Southack
"When a captured German scientist was asked about the development of the V-2, he reportedly said, "Why don't you ask your own Dr. Goddard? He knows better than any of us." http://www.eworcester.com/extra/goddard/

OK, so it's a much repeated urban myth. Seriously, David Clary tried to find any source for that statement, and came up dry. The similarities between the V-2 and Goddard's liquid-fueled rockets were pretty much the similarities that come when you give a guy a clean sheet of paper and tell him to design a liquid-fueled rocket. Certain requirements are inherent in the concept.

There are a lot of differences, also; Goddard never conceived the turbopump which was a key to both V2 and Walter rocket engines. And while Goddard was a doughty experimenter, he failed a lot more than he succeeded. (Of course, like any scientist, he learnt a lot from the failures). he also operated on a relative shoestring, working alone or with a handful of assistants, whereas Dornberger and von Braun had an entire wartime economy at their disposal -- but by 1944 they had gotten the machine to a pretty practical point.

Another reason the Germans didn't have Goddard's stuff is that he was always paranoid about them taking an idea of his and beating him to the claim of first (whatever). So he was an obsessive journal writer, and Clary used these journals in his book.

The final proof is that in design and in propellants used, the German rockets do not closely resemble Goddard's work.

I strongly recommend Clary's book to anyone interested in Goddard:

Rocket Man at amazon.com.

If you search Amazon for Goddard, they also have his famous paper, "A method of reaching extreme altitudes," along with a 1936 paper on liquid propellants, in a book called "Rocket." These are highly technical papers for a reader fluent in physics and mathematics, but for $10 you can't go wrong. ("Rocket Man" is also about $8 cheaper there that what it cost me. Oh, well, no one said science was painless).

I wish Tsiolkovsky's stuff was in print. The New England Air Museum has a copy of several of his books that came from Igor Sikorsky's library!

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

792 posted on 06/22/2004 9:23:49 AM PDT by Criminal Number 18F
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To: Dead Dog
It would take a couple generations, one to get to Mars and another for the thought to sink in. The children of terorists would look around and compare going to Mars with going to the mall to blow it up and come to various conclusions. The children would then be unavailable for recruitment to terrorism because they would be in school learning engineering and in about one generation there wouldn't be any terrorists.
793 posted on 06/22/2004 9:27:41 AM PDT by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: RightWhale

Not a bad idea. I still think their magic rock needs to be sent back on it's cosmic journey that our gravitational field so rudely interrupted. That'll give many generations something to ponder.


794 posted on 06/22/2004 9:36:23 AM PDT by Dead Dog (Expose the Media to Light, Expose the Media to Market Forces.)
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To: Dead Dog; All
There is a Mars Prize out there right now...
795 posted on 06/22/2004 11:01:47 AM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: BurbankKarl
Take me to your Leader!

ROFL. A Space Groupie.

796 posted on 06/22/2004 11:14:39 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (Vexillologist to the FReeper Foxhole)
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To: Professional Engineer

yes, just like the 60s....

hope the pilot didnt have any diecast spaceshipones in his pocket!


797 posted on 06/22/2004 11:28:22 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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798 posted on 06/24/2004 9:51:59 PM PDT by anymouse
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To: taildragger

Perhaps the original design of the prescott pusher had some faults, but it is definately not a POS. My father built one and after 100 or so modifications, the plane is amazing and a blast to fly in. I just think that it is rude to say that something is a POS when there are GREAT versions out there!


799 posted on 08/19/2004 6:07:38 AM PDT by scheid
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