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Roger Ebert: (Fahrenheit) '9/11': Just the facts? (in defense of Michael Moore documentaries)
Chicago Sun Times ^ | June 18, 2004 | Roger Ebert

Posted on 06/21/2004 12:55:24 AM PDT by weegee

A reader writes:

"In your articles discussing Michael Moore's film 'Fahrenheit 9/11,' you call it a documentary. I always thought of documentaries as presenting facts objectively without editorializing. While I have enjoyed many of Mr. Moore's films, I don't think they fit the definition of a documentary."

That's where you're wrong. Most documentaries, especially the best ones, have an opinion and argue for it. Even those that pretend to be objective reflect the filmmaker's point of view. Moviegoers should observe the bias, take it into account and decide if the film supports it or not.

Michael Moore is a liberal activist. He is the first to say so. He is alarmed by the prospect of a second term for George W. Bush, and made "Fahrenheit 9/11" for the purpose of persuading people to vote against him.

That is all perfectly clear, and yet in the days before the film opens June 25, there'll be bountiful reports by commentators who are shocked! shocked! that Moore's film is partisan. "He doesn't tell both sides," we'll hear, especially on Fox News, which is so famous for telling both sides.

The wise French director Godard once said, "The way to criticize a film is to make another film." That there is not a pro-Bush documentary available right now I am powerless to explain. Surely, however, the Republican National Convention will open with such a documentary, which will position Bush comfortably between Ronald Reagan and God. The Democratic convention will have a wondrous film about John Kerry. Anyone who thinks one of these documentaries is "presenting facts objectively without editorializing" should look at the other one.

The pitfall for Moore is not subjectivity, but accuracy. We expect him to hold an opinion and argue it, but we also require his facts to be correct. I was an admirer of his previous doc, the Oscar-winning "Bowling for Columbine," until I discovered that some of his "facts" were wrong, false or fudged.

In some cases, he was guilty of making a good story better, but in other cases (such as his ambush of Charlton Heston) he was unfair, and in still others (such as the wording on the plaque under the bomber at the Air Force Academy) he was just plain wrong, as anyone can see by going to look at the plaque.

Because I agree with Moore's politics, his inaccuracies pained me, and I wrote about them in my Answer Man column. Moore wrote me that he didn't expect such attacks "from you, of all people." But I cannot ignore flaws simply because I agree with the filmmaker. In hurting his cause, he wounds mine.

Now comes "Fahrenheit 9/11," floating on an enormous wave of advance publicity. It inspired a battle of the titans between Disney's Michael Eisner and Miramax's Harvey Weinstein. It won the Palme d'Or at the Cannes Film Festival. It has been rated R by the MPAA, and former New York Gov. Mario Cuomo has signed up as Moore's lawyer, to challenge the rating. The conservative group Move America Forward, which successfully bounced the mildly critical biopic "The Reagans" off CBS and onto cable, has launched a campaign to discourage theaters from showing "Fahrenheit 9/11."

The campaign will amount to nothing and disgraces Move America Forward by showing it trying to suppress disagreement instead of engaging it. The R rating may stand; there is a real beheading in the film, and only fictional beheadings get the PG-13. Disney and Miramax will survive.

Moore's real test will come on the issue of accuracy. He can say whatever he likes about Bush, as long as his facts are straight. Having seen the film twice, I saw nothing that raised a flag for me, and I haven't heard of any major inaccuracies. When Moore was questioned about his claim that Bush unwisely lingered for six or seven minutes in that Florida classroom after learning of the World Trade Center attacks, Moore was able to reply with a video of Bush doing exactly that.

I agree with Moore that the presidency of George W. Bush has been a disaster for America. In writing that, I expect to get the usual complaints that movie critics should keep their political opinions to themselves. But opinions are my stock in trade, and is it not more honest to declare my politics than to conceal them? I agree with Moore, and because I do, I hope "Fahrenheit 9/11" proves to be as accurate as it seems.

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To: weegee
I agree with Moore that the presidency of George W. Bush has been a disaster for America.

Probably because we're still here and "The Passion of The Christ" made so much money.

41 posted on 06/21/2004 8:32:35 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Lurking in Kansas
What I don’t respect are the majority of clowns in the liberal media who say they are unbiased and objective and obviously are not.

Roger Ebert admits to being a liberal. He does not admit to be biased, however.

Read this:

Roger (Bush hater) Ebert interview (from The Progressive magazine)

Here is an excerpt with my response (using quotes from a Roger Ebert review):

Q: If you were putting on a progressive film festival, what movies would you show?

Ebert: It's a good question, because a movie isn't good or bad based on its politics. It's usually good or bad for other reasons, though you might agree or disagree with its politics.

Rog forgot that movie about the man who was on death row trying to get his conviction overturned. At some point it is revealed to the audience that he really did commit the crime. Roger thought that this was a horrible thing because it "validated" the death penalty advocates' position. He gave it ZERO stars (the lowest he can go) because he absoluted hated the politics of this film. He liked the acting. He liked the direction. He hated the message.

THE LIFE OF DAVID GALE / ZERO STARS (R)

"The Life of David Gale" tells the story of a famous opponent of capital punishment who, in what he must find an absurdly ironic development, finds himself on Death Row in Texas, charged with the murder of a woman who was also opposed to capital punishment. This is a plot, if ever there was one, to illustrate King Lear's complaint, "As flies to wanton boys, are we to the gods; They kill us for their sport." I am aware this is the second time in two weeks I have been compelled to quote Lear, but there are times when Eminem simply will not do.

David Gale is an understandably bitter man, played by Kevin Spacey, who protests his innocence to a reporter named Bitsey Bloom (Kate Winslet), whom he has summoned to Texas for that purpose. He claims to have been framed by right-wing supporters of capital punishment because his death would provide such poetic irony in support of the noose, the gas or the chair. Far from killing Constance Harraway (Laura Linney), he says, he had every reason not to, and he explains that to Bitsey in flashbacks that make up about half of the story.

Bitsey becomes convinced of David's innocence. She is joined in her investigation by the eager and sexy intern Zack (Gabriel Mann), and they become aware that they are being followed everywhere in a pickup truck by a gaunt-faced fellow in a cowboy hat, who is either a right-wing death-penalty supporter who really killed the dead woman, or somebody else. If he is somebody else, then he is obviously following them around with the MacGuffin, in this case a videotape suggesting disturbing aspects of the death of Constance.

The man in the cowboy hat illustrates my recently renamed Principle of the Unassigned Character, formerly known less elegantly as the Law of Economy of Character Development. This principle teaches us that the prominent character who seems to be extraneous to the action will probably hold the key to it. The cowboy lives in one of those tumble-down shacks filled with flies and peanut butter, with old calendars on the walls. The yard has more bedsprings than the house has beds.

The acting in "The Life of David Gale" is splendidly done but serves a meretricious cause. The direction is by the British director Alan Parker, who at one point had never made a movie I wholly disapproved of. Now has he ever. The secrets of the plot must remain unrevealed by me, so that you can be offended by them yourself, but let it be said this movie is about as corrupt, intellectually bankrupt and morally dishonest as it could possibly be without David Gale actually hiring himself out as a joker at the court of Saddam Hussein.

I am sure the filmmakers believe their film is against the death penalty. I believe it supports it and hopes to discredit the opponents of the penalty as unprincipled fraudsters. What I do not understand is the final revelation on the videotape. Surely David Gale knows that Bitsey Bloom cannot keep it private without violating the ethics of journalism and sacrificing the biggest story of her career. So it serves no functional purpose except to give a cheap thrill to the audience slackjaws. It is shameful.

One of the things that annoys me is that the story is set in Texas and not just in any old state--a state like Arkansas, for example, where the 1996 documentary "Paradise Lost: The Child Murders at Robin Hood Hills" convincingly explains why three innocent kids are in prison because they wore black and listened to heavy metal, while the likely killer keeps pushing himself onscreen and wildly signaling his guilt. Nor is it set in our own state of Illinois, where Death Row was run so shabbily that former Gov. George Ryan finally threw up his hands and declared the whole system rotten.

No, the movie is set in Texas, which in a good year all by itself carries out half the executions in America. Death Row in Texas is like the Roach Motel: Roach checks in, doesn't check out. When George W. Bush was Texas governor, he claimed to carefully consider each and every execution, although a study of his office calendar shows he budgeted 15 minutes per condemned man (we cannot guess how many of these minutes were devoted to pouring himself a cup of coffee before settling down to the job). Still, when you're killing someone every other week and there's an average of 400 more waiting their turn, you have to move right along.

Spacey and Parker are honorable men. Why did they go to Texas and make this silly movie? The last shot made me want to throw something at the screen--maybe Spacey and Parker.

You can make movies that support capital punishment ("The Executioner's Song") or oppose it ("Dead Man Walking") or are conflicted ("In Cold Blood"). But while Texas continues to warehouse condemned men with a system involving lawyers who are drunk, asleep or absent; confessions that are beaten out of the helpless, and juries that overwhelmingly prefer to execute black defendants instead of white ones, you can't make this movie. Not in Texas.

What a pompous ass.


42 posted on 06/21/2004 8:38:44 AM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: HungarianGypsy
Bill Clinton's "kinder gentler" America:

Easter Weekend.

43 posted on 06/21/2004 8:43:55 AM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Hildy

People at DU are happy about this and plan to take in BOTH movies. They are genuinely excited.


44 posted on 06/21/2004 8:45:17 AM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: weegee
What a pompous ass.

Agreed, LOL.

Roger Ebert admits to being a liberal. He does not admit to be biased, however.

I my mind liberal & bias are mutually INCLUSIVE.

45 posted on 06/21/2004 8:49:02 AM PDT by Lurking in Kansas (* * *This space available for rent * * *)
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To: weegee
Roger Ebert articles/reviews of Fahrenheit 911 (all FR threads):

Less is Moore in subdued, effective '9/11'

Jury defends award to Moore

Bowling for 'Fahrenheit': The 411

46 posted on 06/21/2004 8:50:05 AM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: weegee

Telling that Rodger feels the need to apologize for Moore's non-objectivivity the week the films comes out..


47 posted on 06/21/2004 8:56:20 AM PDT by cabrera
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To: Rennes Templar
Don't forget to vote:

Fahrenheit 9/11, Rating on IMDB.com

The liberals have been hitting this (and the operators of IMDB has shown their own biases).

I have given them Ray Bradbury's quotes of his opposition to the film's bastardization of his similar title and the ideas it is known for. They wouldn't include them in the comments field of "movie connections" but they did add the title Fahrenheit 451.

They also refused to add the comments to "trivia" which includes all sorts of Michael Moore press releases (about the Disney "censorship" et al).

The posters at the IMDB discussion forum ARE aware of the Ray Bradbury interview, it is discussed here:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0361596/board/nest/9380716

48 posted on 06/21/2004 8:58:02 AM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: SoCal Pubbie
Yes, I've mentioned that Ebert has defended JFK, Nixon, Malcolm X, and other historical biopics for their inaccuracies saying that people shouldn't get their facts from a movie. Now we shouldn't even get facts from documentaries.

The liberals fighting the culture war dumb everything down.

49 posted on 06/21/2004 9:47:05 AM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: weegee
Does anyone here believe that Roger Ebert or Dopey Roeper would give a pro-Bush documentary any sort of praise or would they be critical about what it "doesn't cover" as much as for what it does cover? I hear that there was a reasonably pro-Bush documentary awhile back (Travels with George) that didn't turn out to be the "get Bush" slam that so many liberals were hoping for.

It was Alexandra Pelosi's Journeys with George, about the 2000 campaign (her mother is Nancy Pelosi.) I haven't seen it, but fellow freepers have said a few good things about the movie. I could not find a review of the movie by Ebert.

Anyhow, for Ebert to ask where the pro-Bush films are is quite laughable. Think about it -- while Ebert is carrying Moore's water here about getting this film out, one of the biggest stars in Hollywood had to finance his own movie that turned out to gross $400 million. Ebert did give that movie a good review, but he doesn't seem to connect the dots that if Mel Gibson couldn't get a film about Jesus made without paying for it himself, it's highly unlikely that anybody could make a pro-Bush (or anti-Kerry) film and get Hollywood's help.

50 posted on 06/21/2004 10:39:51 AM PDT by NYCVirago
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To: over3Owithabrain
Moore flat out lies in "Columbine"; Ebert is terrified the same type of lies will be exposed in "Farenheit"; Ebert knows conservatives will not let Moore or the media get away with it this time.

Which is why Moore has threatened anybody who criticizes his film with a big fat lawsuit, and has hired Chris Lehane to be his media mouthpiece. Funny how free speech advocate Ebert doesn't see a problem with that.

51 posted on 06/21/2004 10:42:45 AM PDT by NYCVirago
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To: null and void

The Moore the Scarier

By Debbie Schlussel 03/25/2003
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He calls Bush, Cheney, and Ashcroft the "real axis of evil." He blamed 9-11 attacks on too many White people and not enough Black men on the planes.

And in his Oscar Night diatribe, film-maker Michael Moore used his win of an Academy Award to rant against a "fictitious" President Bush, "fictitious election results," and the War on Iraq, which he claimed was for "fictitious reasons."

"We live in fictitious times," he said when picking up the award for best documentary for his anti-gun film "Bowling for Columbine."

And Michael Moore should know. Because everything from his "working-class Joe" persona to his so-called documentary, for which he won the award, is largely fictitious. Michael Moore is the master of the truly fictitious.

His public persona is that of an anti-corporate crusader from working-class Flint, Michigan, who wears a constant uniform of slouchy jeans, a plaid shirt and a Detroit Tigers baseball cap. But the real Michael Moore rides in limos and lives in a swanky $1.2 million Manhattan apartment. Moore's "blue collar bonhomie" is bunk.

According to Detroit Free Press film critic Terry Lawson, Moore's first documentary, "Roger and Me" featured manipulated facts and the breaking of established documentary rules.

Then there's his "documentary," "Bowling for Columbine."

Documentary might not be the best word for this manipulative piece of cinematic celluloid. "Fictitious," Moore's current term of choice, would be more accurate.

That includes the title. Moore says he chose "Bowling for Columbine" because Columbine High mass murderers Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold attended a bowling class the morning of the massacre. Reality check: Jefferson County Sheriffs, who investigated the killings, say they skipped the class that day, and have the attendance sheets and blank bowling scoring sheets to prove it. Had Moore bothered to check the official report of the police investigation, he'd have known that. But why bother with the facts when you're the fictitious Michael Moore?

Moore's vehement anti-war ideology gets the best of his fact-checking capabilities. His film implies Harris and Klebold had violent tendencies because of "weapons of mass destruction" produced by a Lockheed Martin assembly plant in their hometown of Littleton. "Bowling" actually features footage of giant rocket assembly to make the point. But, according to Daniel Lyons in Forbes magazine, Lockheed Martin's Littleton plant makes space launch vehicles for TV satellites, not weapons.

And Moore's anti-gun fervor also trumps the facts. He stages an event at North Country Bank and Trust in Michigan's Traverse City, claiming that opening an account would entitle one to walk out of the bank with a gun in hand. The film shows him doing just that. But the key word is "staged." In reality, the bank does not provide guns for opening accounts, and you can't walk in or out of the bank with one—unless you're a security guard employed by the bank. The gun is one of several "giveaways" that can be chosen by customers in exchange for opening a CD account. In order to qualify for the gun, customers must open a 3-year CD with at least $5,000 and then must pass a background check for the gun, which can only be picked up at a licensed gun dealer.

Arguably, the worst fiction in Moore's documentary is visited upon Hollywood producer Dick Clark of "American Bandstand" fame. Moore confronts Clark, trying to ask him questions and accusing him of responsibility for the fatal shooting in 2000 of 6-year-old Kayla Rowland of Mount Morris Township, Michigan, by her classmate, at Buell Elementary School.

Moore blames the shooting on Michigan's work-to-welfare program, which he claims prevented the shooter's mother, Tamarla Owens, from spending time with him. And he blames Clark, because Owens work-to-welfare job was at his "American Bandstand" restaurant at an area mall.

But Clark and the work-to-welfare program had nothing to do with it. Owens, who had three children with three different fathers and was once charged as a drug dealer, married a convicted drug dealer. Before the shooting, she abandoned her son, turning him over to her brother, who lived in a flophouse rife with stolen guns and ammunition, where drug deals went on at all hours. Michigan's Family Independence Agency reported that she was a poor mother, and she later lost custody of all three children, two of them permanently.

Blaming the shooting of a classmate by Owen's son on Dick Clark is outrageous.

But that's Michael Moore. A fictitious man living in a fictitious time. With a fictitious, Academy Award winning "documentary." As Brian Rohrbough, whose son Daniel died at Columbine, said, "This is just a guy trying to capitalize on the tragedy of others."

Moore's latest best-selling book is "Stupid White Men. . . and Other Sorry Excuses for the State of the Nation," As they say, it takes one to know one. But the stupidest and sorriest are not Moore and those he writes about, but those who fall for his propaganda.

Debbie Schlussel is an attorney, columnist, and radio talk show host.


52 posted on 06/21/2004 10:55:28 AM PDT by Area51 (RINO Hunter, Big Time.)
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To: over3Owithabrain

This should be a challenge to the right--We must make a movie showing the TRUTH. We must counter Moore's diatribe with a movie/documentry showing what is good about Bush and the War (That's what its all about--The Patriot Act and Iraq). We need a film too and a better one. We have actors--We have Money men--we have people on the right who will help even if its on the Fox network. This is a debate for the soul of America and our voice is once again muted. Its too important to let Moore, the Clintons. and Kerry run away with it.


53 posted on 06/21/2004 11:14:29 AM PDT by Hollywoodghost (Let he who would be free strike the first blow)
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To: Area51
This is the only line I will quote from today's USA Ptooey article (they don't like FR running their articles so this is all I need):

"Every day, a kid is dying over (in Iraq). For what? To secure Fallujah?" Moore says testily.

If you look at that 800+ "deathlist" you will find that over one third of those deaths are industrial or vehicular accidents with some a few cases of pneumonia and heart attacks. These are all on the "Bush's fault" list. A woman who's name appears on some of the list (but not on the Washington Poop's list, which Michael Moore has linked to his site) is a woman who was killed when she was hit by a truck while crossing the highway in Kansas while on leave.

She doesn't make the WP list but a man who was killed by a forklift in Kuwait that same week IS on the WP list.

Some of the American soldiers who died were murdered by Iraqis who feigned a surrender and then fired on the troops.

Some other American soldiers who died were murdered by an American soldier who threw grenades into officers' tents and then opened fire, killing 2 and wounding 12 more. His trial is slated for next month.

The left likes to inflate the numbers of dead people that they can blame on "Bush". Why does it have to be construed as "someone's fault" that they are dead? It is a tragedy when they are killed in combat. It is a tragedy when they are killed in an accident. It is a tragedy when they come home from duty and are killed by a drive by gansta shooting.

None of it takes away from their service but the left does not care about their service. They follow Bill Clinton's credo and "loathe the military". Don't believe the hype.

54 posted on 06/21/2004 11:17:06 AM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Hollywoodghost
We need to expose the antiAmerican left for what they are, the Oil for Food bribes, the contracts that Russia and France held with Iraq, the flip flop of Kerry's position on going it alone against Iraq (he was for it in 1997).

We don't need to refute the charges in this film any more than we need to defend Jews against the charges made in The Eternal Jew. Exposing the Nazis for what they are is more productive.

Fox TV won't air such a film (ever seen the pop junk that airs there). Fox News is still not universally available (without buying into satellite tv) and would immediately be discredited as "biased".

Think you can make this film in time for November 2004?

55 posted on 06/21/2004 11:21:21 AM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Area51
Looks like Michael's business partner (his co-producer Joanne Doroshow) may be putting her tax-exempt non-profit agency at risk of an IRS tax fraud investigation.

His next film, Sicko, co-produced again by Doroshow, takes the US Health Care system to task. They are prohibited from advocating legislation (unless she wants to distance her involvement from her agency).

A quick look at the headlines on that website top page will show their agenda.

56 posted on 06/21/2004 11:31:52 AM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: weegee

Such a movie could be made in 4 weeks--if people wanted to badly enough. I know what to call it--"Nine-Eleven" It would tell the story of the people on the airplanes and inside the towers. Use real footage and some special effects to show the horror those people suffered in their last minutes. Yes, tell the story of Todd Bemmer and the brave Americans who revolted --unarmed--agaisnt the Terrorists. Sometimes, when Government fails, the people must rise to the challenge. In World War One the taxi drivers of Paris drove the French Troops to the front and saved France (They would kick their modern counterparts in the behind at the way they are acting today). In 1940, with the British Army pushed to the beachs of Dunkirk, it was the yachtsmen and fishermen who risked life and limb to save the Tommies and in truth saved England (and the rest of the free world). Todd and his fellow passengers had to step up and save Washington (Capital building or White House) from attack. They paid with their lives. We need to remember what this war is all about. Lots of people whould work on such a film for Free. Yes, people would see it, and leave the theater with tears in their eyes. Maybe Bruce Willis could play Todd Bemmer? We need to re-spark the feavor of 9-11. Too many have forgotten the horror of that morning. Yes, people would see it--just as they did with "The Passion of the Christ." Maybe ICON could release it. OK, so its a dream--but all good things, like Freedom itself, starts with a dream.


57 posted on 06/21/2004 1:10:38 PM PDT by Hollywoodghost (Let he who would be free strike the first blow)
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To: Area51

Thanks!


58 posted on 06/21/2004 1:29:50 PM PDT by null and void ( Clinton: the first psychobabble presidency.)
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To: freekitty

Fahrenheit 911 HAS A RATING of "R" yet Moore claims in his recent ads for his "mocku-mentary" is "not yet rated"



Seems the lies kept rolling along......


59 posted on 06/21/2004 2:05:43 PM PDT by RedMonqey (Its is dangerous to be right when your government is wrong)
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To: weegee

What truly makes me want to wretch my guts empty is this:


The VERY SAME PEOPLE who decried "The Passion of Chris" should NEVER have been made, much less viewed by the mass for fear of inciting people to violence, are CHEERFULLY extolling this bit of Goebbels-esque propaganda that will result in the death of our soldiers and the enslavement of millions of Iraqis if we pull out. AKA Cambodia 1975.

Of course, "Socialist" of a feather, "flock" together!


60 posted on 06/21/2004 2:25:45 PM PDT by RedMonqey (Its is dangerous to be right when your government is wrong)
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