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To: bayourod
Karl rove, is that you?? LOL. You really have no clue about conservatism if you think the john birchers and CIS, and FAIR and nubersUSA are 'liberal'. I've been posting here since last september and your post has to be the most bizzare post i've ever seen here- and i've seen a lot. Can you now argue what is liberal about those groups?

also since you seem to love RINOS so much, i suppose you love abortionists, stem cell research, gun control, open border, socialistic spending, NAFTA, hate crime legislation, affirmative action, etc.

By the way, How's everything over at DU? LOL.

43 posted on 06/21/2004 6:38:42 PM PDT by MindFire
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To: MindFire
"You really have no clue about conservatism if you think the john birchers and CIS, and FAIR and nubersUSA are 'liberal'."

Thank you for falling into my trap. You are probably a sincere conservative, and have become discontented with Bush and Republicans by what you've read on FAIR, CIS, NumbersUSA, etc.. sites. You are a victim of Liberal democrat disinformation. Consider this excerpt from The Wall street Journal a couple days ago:

"In fact, CIS, FAIR, NumbersUSA, Project-USA and more than a half-dozen similar groups that Republicans have become disturbingly comfy with, were founded or funded (or both) by John Tanton, a retired doctor in Michigan. In addition to trying to stop immigration to the U.S., appropriate population-control measures for Dr. Tanton and his network include promoting China's one-child policy, sterilizing Third World women and wider use of RU-486.

FAIR, where Mr. Krikorian once worked, is run by Dan Stein and shares advisers and personnel with CIS and other members of the Tanton nexus. As our Jason Riley noted in a March op-ed, "By Dr. Tanton's own reckoning, FAIR has received more than $1.5 million from the Pioneer Fund, a white-supremacist outfit devoted to racial purity through eugenics."

Representative Cannon says, "Tanton set up groups like CIS and FAIR to take an analytical approach to immigration from a Republican point of view so that they can give cover to Republicans who oppose immigration for other reasons."

And in answer to your question, I am not Karl Rove, but I've worked with him in several campaigns. You're fortunate not to be discoursing with him. Karl Rove does not suffer fools lightly; in fact he doesn't suffer them at all.

60 posted on 06/21/2004 6:59:34 PM PDT by bayourod (Can the 9/11 Commission connect the dots on Iraq or do they require a 3-D picture?)
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To: MindFire

"..And since you seem to love RINOS so much,..."

A RINO is not a Republican office holder who may have supported some issues with which many Republicans may disagree. By definition, a RINO (Republican In Name Only) is a self professed Republican who will not vote for the Republican candidate versus other candidates in any given race. To believe or espouse anything else is politically dishonest, arrogant, and, in the end, anti-conservative.


90 posted on 06/21/2004 7:25:50 PM PDT by NCPAC ("Thou shalt not speak ill of a fellow Republican." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: MindFire; bayourod
You really have no clue about conservatism if you think the john birchers and CIS, and FAIR and nubersUSA are 'liberal'.

Some of us conservatives don't wish to share the title with organizations that dance all over the racism line. And the "blame everything on the Mexicans" lines those organizations sometimes espouse is clearly over the line and is a serious taint that we do not wish to have associated with us.

138 posted on 06/21/2004 10:46:27 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (Yes, I do think I'm funny, why do you ask?)
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