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Live babies being born after abortions
UK Evening Standard ^ | 6/22/04 | Rebecca Smith

Posted on 06/22/2004 5:45:15 PM PDT by wagglebee

Leading doctors today called for a major overhaul to avoid babies being born alive after abortions.

Pregnancy expert Professor Stuart Campbell has demanded rules should be tightened after it was revealed that at least nine babies are known to have survived terminations in recent years.

He said injections that were supposed to end their lives in the womb failed to do so - and he called for stricter regulations to be enforced on the methods of abortion.

Professor Campbell said that all abortions carried out after 18 weeks of pregnancy should include an injection, followed by drugs, to induce labour and a stillborn child.

Some consultants only give the injection in abortions after 22 weeks. Others, he claims, do not use it at all.

Professor Campbell, who worked as an obstetrician at St George's Hospital-Tooting, and pioneered 4D scanning of babies in the womb at the Create Health Centre for Reproduction and Advanced Technology in London, said: "It is really unfair on the nurses and the parents to see the baby making some sort of movement after birth.

"If after 18 weeks you just induce labour (without an injection first) a large number would be born with a heartbeat and most of them will survive with a heartbeat and will make movements.

"Certainly from 18 weeks they should inject the heart to stop it from beating, but not everyone does this. Guidance should be given by the Royal College.

"There are cases where the injection does not work but this is very rare."

One baby with Down's Syndrome was to be aborted at a hospital in the home counties but lived. It was transferred to St George's Hospital, where it received neonatal intensive care and survived. It is believed to have been adopted.

Next week a motion is being tabled at the British Medical Association conference that babies should be entitled to all the intensive care that babies born prematurely receive. Consultant obstetrician-Jim Thornton said in the past babies were born alive after abortion more regularly but "people didn't make a fuss and pretended not to realise the baby was born alive".

He said that if a baby were to be born alive and viable then it must be given medical help but there was a "grey area" where babies born in this manner at 22 or 23 weeks were on the cusp of being able to survive. Only 17 per cent of babies born normally at 23 weeks survive.

Professor Thornton, of City Hospital, Nottingham, said: "Once it is born, you can't kill the baby but the law doesn't say anything about to what degree you resuscitate it.

"The way it is dealt with is by sensible doctors and sensible nurses keeping it under their hat and allowing the baby to pass away peacefully."

Professor Campbell does not believe that a baby born in this way should be kept alive at all costs.

"What paediatricians do is spend resources keeping a baby that is going to die, alive. It is absolute nonsense. It does show that is up to us (obstetricians) to make sure the baby is not moving."

Guidance issued by the Royal College of Obstetrics and Gynaecologists states that a legal abortion must not be allowed to result in a live birth.

But Professor Campbell says it does not make clear at what stage it is necessary to stop the heartbeat before abortion.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: abortion; abortionismurder; attrocity; birth; childbirth; denyassistance; england; euthenasia; evil; holocaust; infanticide; liveabortion; murder; notjusttissue; sick; stopabeatingheart; uk; ukabortion
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This is so cruel and inhumane. That any doctor would want to kill a beautiful infant is beyond me.
1 posted on 06/22/2004 5:45:15 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee; NRA2BFree

Barbaric


2 posted on 06/22/2004 5:46:40 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: wagglebee
Amen. The doctors should test the injections on themselves first to make sure the stuff works properly.
3 posted on 06/22/2004 5:47:49 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all)
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To: wagglebee

That any doctor would want to kill a beautiful infant is beyond me.



Very simple $$$$$$$$


4 posted on 06/22/2004 5:49:16 PM PDT by WKB (3!~ What we need is more "Christianity in politics" and less "Politics in Christianity")
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To: wagglebee
It is really unfair on the nurses and the parents to see the baby making some sort of movement after birth.

Yes, it is truly unfair. I mean, the parents and the medical professionals might feel bad or something. Better to stamp the life out of the kid before he comes out of the womb.

5 posted on 06/22/2004 5:49:32 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: wagglebee
Evil. It is evil.
6 posted on 06/22/2004 5:49:36 PM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: Texas Eagle

Too bad these "doctors" weren't aborted. No, even they don't deserve such a fate until they begin these procedures. Is it too late?


7 posted on 06/22/2004 5:53:04 PM PDT by realpatriot (This tagline intentionally left blank, so quit reading it)
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To: wagglebee
"What paediatricians do is spend resources keeping a baby that is going to die, alive. It is absolute nonsense. It does show that is up to us (obstetricians) to make sure the baby is not moving."

Translation: "As a doctor, it is my job to kill children. Anyone who expects me to try to keep a child alive must be smoking crack."

8 posted on 06/22/2004 5:53:40 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column)
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To: WKB

I don't buy the money angle at all. Even mediocre doctors have no problem making money (without the risk of being shot at or bombed). These monsters have some perverse agenda that goes beyond money.


9 posted on 06/22/2004 5:54:09 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: madprof98

That quote really takes the cake. SICK.


10 posted on 06/22/2004 5:55:12 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: wagglebee
It is really unfair on the nurses and the parents to see the baby making some sort of movement after birth

God no, we wouldn't want them to feel bad or anything. I mean, it's not like they should have to worry about what the baby is feeling while it's being "terminated" by a method that usually leads to 20 years of appeals by convicted murderers alleging that it's cruel and unusual punishment.

Heavens no, we wouldn't want the live adults to have to confront such vexing questions.

11 posted on 06/22/2004 5:55:25 PM PDT by Regulator (Totally Beyond Disgusting)
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To: wagglebee

The babies are human...these doctors are SUB-human.


12 posted on 06/22/2004 5:55:32 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: wagglebee
HELLO!!!

Does anyone else see the lunacy here?? Ain't killing 'em good enough..we must have more effective means. Ja Volt!

13 posted on 06/22/2004 5:56:13 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought."-Pope JPII)
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To: WKB
Professor Thornton, of City Hospital, Nottingham, said: "Once it is born, you can't kill the baby but the law doesn't say anything about to what degree you resuscitate it.

"The way it is dealt with is by sensible doctors and sensible nurses keeping it under their hat and allowing the baby to pass away peacefully."

Professor Campbell does not believe that a baby born in this way should be kept alive at all costs.

"What paediatricians do is spend resources keeping a baby that is going to die, alive. It is absolute nonsense. It does show that is up to us (obstetricians) to make sure the baby is not moving."

This is an OB/Gyn (they make plenty of money), his motive is to murder babies. And I will never understand the level of human depravity that will make somebody say this.

14 posted on 06/22/2004 5:57:55 PM PDT by wagglebee
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Once it is born, you can't kill the baby but the law doesn't say anything about to what degree you resuscitate it

So, they need a law to tell them to help someone stay alive?

Arrest every one of these SOBs and try them for murder.

15 posted on 06/22/2004 5:59:24 PM PDT by Regulator (This is even MORE disgusting!!)
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To: wagglebee

It's truly beyond words to describe. And the discussion in the article is just casual for these 'experts' on how to kill the children more effectively to insure they are truly dead. It's 'unfair' that kids would be somehow avoid being killed.


16 posted on 06/22/2004 6:03:18 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: wagglebee
Planned Parenthood's total income for 2002-2003 was $766.6 million. 1/3 of it from the U.S. tax taypayers. That's a big chunk of change.

Isn't it funny that when the left moans about evil rich corporations, they never mention the one that is truly evil?
17 posted on 06/22/2004 6:15:20 PM PDT by lizma
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To: wagglebee
He said injections that were supposed to end their lives in the womb failed to do so...

The West's very own version of the 'Religion of Pieces'. We have nothing over the be-headers, do we?

On the face of it this can't really be true anyway - we have been told time and time again that there is nothing 'alive' in the womb to kill. Whatever it is that is being 'born', it can't be alive. Sick.

God help us all. God give the Church back Her spine and Her voice.

a_r

18 posted on 06/22/2004 6:17:14 PM PDT by arkady_renko
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To: Mr. Mojo

They are delivery room terrorists! The worst of the worst as terrorists go. There is no difference in the terrorists who killed and mutilated the Americans in Fallujah, than the terrorists who shred babies as they suction them out of the womb and then pitch their little body parts in a trash can. ANYONE who can kill a baby is pure evil.


19 posted on 06/22/2004 6:23:59 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (Life is not about how fast you run, or how high you climb, but how well you bounce.)
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To: wagglebee
Professor Thornton, of City Hospital, Nottingham, said: "Once it is born, you can't kill the baby but the law doesn't say anything about to what degree you resuscitate it.

I cannot even imagine that these are the words of someone in a civilized society.

20 posted on 06/22/2004 6:24:12 PM PDT by Dolphy
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To: wagglebee

"It was transferred ..... where it .... It is believed to have been adopted."

This baby is not an "IT"!!

Babies are "he" and "she."

Dehumanization is necessary - Proof that the author knows "it" is wrong.


21 posted on 06/22/2004 6:24:16 PM PDT by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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To: wagglebee
Who would want any of these jackals delivering their children?
22 posted on 06/22/2004 6:29:28 PM PDT by pubmom
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To: wagglebee
"A baby with Downs Syndrome was to be aborted at a home hospital in the counties, but lived. It was transferred to St. George's Hospital where it received neonatal intensive care and survived. It is beleived to have been adopted.

"in the past babies were born alive after abortion more regularly, but people didn't make a fuss and pretended not to realise the baby was born alive"

"Once it is born , you can't kill the baby"

"The way it is dealt with, is by sensible doctors and nurses keeping it under their hat, and allowing the baby the baby to pass away peacefully"

Abortion is not murder.
It's a blob of tissue.
Abortion is not murder.
It's a blob of tissue.
Abortion is not murder.
It's a blob of tissue.
Abortion is not murder......

Just keep telling yourselves that Pro Choice movement.

23 posted on 06/22/2004 6:31:16 PM PDT by fly_so_free (Never underestimate the treachery of the democrat party- Save USA,-Vote a Dem out of office)
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To: wagglebee

This should be easy to fix.

Inject the doctor.


24 posted on 06/22/2004 6:41:36 PM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: wagglebee

I agree with everything you say
but let's pass a law that says
"All abortions must be done without charge"
And see what happens to the abortion industry.


25 posted on 06/22/2004 6:43:50 PM PDT by WKB (3!~ What we need is more "Christianity in politics" and less "Politics in Christianity")
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To: wagglebee
"The way it is dealt with is by sensible doctors and sensible nurses keeping it under their hat and allowing the baby to pass away peacefully."

Since when is it "sensible" to allow a baby to die? What bastards.

26 posted on 06/22/2004 6:43:52 PM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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allowing the baby to pass away peacefully

There's nothing peaceful about murder. And what is this "allowing" bs? That baby lived in spite of you and your evil. He/she deserves to live.

I always believed that people could justify their pro-abortion position up to the point when they had their own babies. After that, you either love babies, born and unborn, or you are a heartless, selfish and unloving person.

27 posted on 06/22/2004 6:45:16 PM PDT by kdot
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"It is really unfair on the nurses and the parents to see the baby making some sort of movement after birth."

Yep, there's your lunacy. I wonder if it ever crosses any of their minds how unfair it is to the baby?

28 posted on 06/22/2004 6:45:17 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Islam delenda est)
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To: wagglebee

How dare these children fight to live and make the Mom , and nurses feel bad. As a mother and a nurse this sickens and insults me.


29 posted on 06/22/2004 6:51:28 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: wagglebee
Professor Thornton, of City Hospital, Nottingham, said: "Once it is born, you can't kill the baby but the law doesn't say anything about to what degree you resuscitate it.

"The way it is dealt with is by sensible doctors and sensible nurses keeping it under their hat and allowing the baby to pass away peacefully."

So much for it just being "tissue" and not a person. So much effort to deny a baby life.

Why doesn't the article address how much or little this complication affected the woman's life? After all, we are told that it is a woman's choice to murder her baby because pregnancy complicates her life.

One of the babies was adopted, how many of the mothers changed their minds and kept the children?

31 posted on 06/22/2004 6:58:44 PM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: wagglebee
"It is really unfair on the nurses and the parents to see the baby making some sort of movement after birth."

I think they should send a video tape home with the parents. That way they can show it to all their friends who are considering an abortion to show that it is indeed a baby and not some inanimate grouping of cells.
33 posted on 06/22/2004 7:23:24 PM PDT by wmichgrad
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To: wagglebee

Aborticiders are no better than Mohomocowardens.


34 posted on 06/22/2004 7:24:31 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (I DO NOT BRAKE FOR MOHOMOCOWARDENS)
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To: lizma
Planned Parenthood's total income for 2002-2003 was $766.6 million.

I think you need to brush up on your accounting. PP's 2002-2003 income was $36.6 million (and $12.2 million the year before).

http://www.conservativenews.org/ViewNation.asp?Page=%5CNation%5Carchive%5C200312%5CNAT20031212a.html

35 posted on 06/22/2004 7:28:54 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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"The way it is dealt with is by sensible doctors and sensible nurses keeping it under their hat and allowing the baby to pass away peacefully."

Peacefully? PEACEFULLY? You've just ripped the baby out of his womb after trying to murder him! HOW IS THAT PASSING AWAY PEACEFULLY?
36 posted on 06/22/2004 7:29:44 PM PDT by Sofa King (MY rights are not subject to YOUR approval http://www.angelfire.com/art2/sofaking/index.html)
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To: ApesForEvolution

At least the islamofascists have the b*lls to admit they hate us, the baby butchers ramble on about "choices". Bullsh!t, choices are something on a restaurant menu.


37 posted on 06/22/2004 7:30:53 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee

Hey, here's an idea. Don't murder the babies!


38 posted on 06/22/2004 7:31:19 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: wagglebee
How much longer will we stand and stare at the gates of many Auswitch camps and ignore what is happening inside?

Ironic how the liberal descendants of the Jews incinerated in WWII now seem to think infanticide [and nazi gun control] is ok.
Astounding is too mild a word for such willful ignorance
39 posted on 06/22/2004 7:32:23 PM PDT by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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HOLD IT. Let's get real here.

Peacefully? PEACEFULLY? You've just dismembered and burned the baby with saline solution before ripping the baby out of his womb. HOW IS THAT PASSING AWAY PEACEFULLY

NOW it is factually correct.

Cheers

40 posted on 06/22/2004 7:35:13 PM PDT by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: wagglebee

The doctors and parents of these children will answer to God about why they did not allow a human to live.....


Pro-life bump!


41 posted on 06/22/2004 8:00:06 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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"Evil. It is evil"

The Romans did the same thing. I suspect the Almighty is at work with these little ones.

42 posted on 06/22/2004 8:00:23 PM PDT by Windsong (FighterPilot)
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To: wagglebee
He said injections that were supposed to end their lives in the womb failed to do so - and he called for stricter regulations to be enforced on the methods of abortion.

He said injections that were supposed to end their lives in the womb failed to do so - and he called for stricter regulations to be enforced on the methods of abortion!!!!!!!!

Translation: we must come up with more effective methods of murdering babies.

Sick bastards...

43 posted on 06/22/2004 8:04:28 PM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: wagglebee

Bump.

Bookmarked.

Evil. Pure evil.


44 posted on 06/22/2004 8:05:38 PM PDT by Skooz (My Biography: Psalm 40:1-3)
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To: wagglebee

St. George must be proud (/sarcasm)


45 posted on 06/22/2004 8:10:17 PM PDT by stocksthatgoup
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To: arkady_renko
The West's very own version of the 'Religion of Pieces'. We have nothing over the be-headers, do we?

One cannot help but wonder if all of these murdered little ones had any relation to 9/11. As in, a certain SOMEONE looking away. Not saying its fact, just a possibility.

And let's face it, abortion really is child sacrifice. No different than what the Mayans and Aztecs did: bloodletting and infant sacrifice.

46 posted on 06/22/2004 8:29:42 PM PDT by Windsong (FighterPilot)
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To: wagglebee
"I don't buy the money angle at all. Even mediocre doctors have no problem making money (without the risk of being shot at or bombed). These monsters have some perverse agenda that goes beyond money."

They are like the fallen angels, most probably. Having money and success all their life has dimmed their view of life, and being evolutionists probably helped in the process. Not such a stretch to suggest, IMHO.

47 posted on 06/22/2004 8:36:28 PM PDT by Windsong (FighterPilot)
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To: wagglebee

Best to do the job right the first time, and not let them get away, lest you have to chase them down and kill them after they are born.


48 posted on 06/22/2004 8:41:24 PM PDT by Imal (To be "neutral" in the War on Terrorism is to side with terrorism.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

How is this possible since PP is known to receive more than $100 million of redistributed taxpayer monies, in Title X grants every year?


49 posted on 06/22/2004 8:43:39 PM PDT by Lester Moore
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To: wagglebee

Ah, the joys of socialized medicine.


50 posted on 06/22/2004 8:45:46 PM PDT by Nachum
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