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The Ainu are Veda, as are Australian Aborigines, they were the first major human population of the world, their skeletons have been found in Tierra del Fuego and evidence in caves suggest they were there up to 60,000 years ago.
They were the first builders of cities 15,000 years ago, now found around India in 120m of water, They were the bringers of culture to the Middle East. At the same time, according Aztec history, was "the age of the white haired bearded giants", it was these people who built Atlantis - in the Caribbean. The great calamity that caused a rapid rise in sealevel 11,600 years ago almost wiped out both these great seafaring civilizations who together, mapped the world. These ancient maps of the Sea Kings, trace the coastlines as it was when the sea was over 140m below the present level.
(See Porcupine Banks was once Hy Brasil off Ireland)
Both the black Veda and white Atlanteans are likely to have spoken the same language as suggested by the above article (on Basques).
Survivors of Atlantis eventually blossomed into "Age of the Red Heads" they continued some seafaring and astronomy, but not on as grand a scale as their ancestors. Maps were merely copied from the ancient sea kings.
These red heads suffered another calamity about 7,000 years ago when the Bahaman Banks went under water and some survivors sailed via the Gulf Stream to Ireland, Wales and Scotland, to become the Gaelic Celts as well as the Basques and Berbers. Others travelled inland into North America (Anasazi, Hopi and Algonkians) and others travelled to South America (red hair, green eyed Araucanians).
I suspect that the red heads in China were a fragment of this break up.
so were the Egyptians.
They must have taken the North Pacific current to China.
Fragments of the red head culture also traded along the west coast of America in balsa rafts from 400 BC to 400AD. The red haired Paracas Mummies were these people.
Eventually they found their way to Easter Island and other Isolated pockets across the Pacific.
The next age according to Aztec history was the "Age of the Black Haired People". This started in America 5,500 years ago. According to genetics, a calamity befell these people 6,000 years ago and survivors of a great East Asian civilization (from which Tibetans, Thais,Taiwanese, Haida and Hawaiians came from) travelled via the Kuroshio current to the west coast of Canada, California, Central and South America. These people interbred with the remaining red heads to form present day Amerindians. Genetics does show a basal Paleolithic Caucasian layer in some Amerindians.
After 4000 years in Canada, one group left Haida Gwaii and sailed to Hawaii to begin the 2000 year reign of Polynesian Kings and Queens in the Pacific.
On the lost tribe of Israel thing, well the most likely trail is via the Cape of Good Hope, across to South America and then follow the trail of Ur names up both the Amazon and through Uruguay to Lake Titicaca where one finds the Uros people living the life of the Indus birdmen and Tigris swamp people on floating reed beds. People who worshipped Ra, the Egyptian Sun God. these people probably left the middle East when the Barbaric Aryans invaded from the north. These Aryans also destroyed what was left of the ancient Veda civilization - The Harrappan civilization.
Sifting through the remains of the city is when the Aryans finally thought about becoming civilized.
I hope this answers a few questions the reader might have.


68 posted on 12/23/2004 4:25:57 AM PST by peterpanther
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To: peterpanther
Very, very interesting, thanks for your addition. Your input is not to far from my current ideas on this whole subject.

BTW, welcome to Free Republic...and, Merry Christmas.

69 posted on 12/23/2004 7:17:48 AM PST by blam
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To: peterpanther; JimSEA
I've been heavily influenced by Dr Stephen Oppenheimer's excellent book.

Eden In The East

Book Description

A book that completely changes the established and conventional view of prehistory by relocating the lost 'Eden' - the cradle of civilisation - to Southeast Asia

Synopsis

At the end of the Ice Age, Southeast Asia formed a continent twice the size of India. The South China Sea, the Gulf of Thailand and the Java Sea, which were all dry, formed the connecting parts of the continent. Geologically, this half-sunken continent is the Sunda shelf of Sundaland. In Eden in the East Stephen Oppenheimer puts forward the astonishing argument that here in Southeast Asia was the cradle of civilisation that fertilised the great cultures of China, India, Mesopotamia, Egypt and Crete six thousand years ago. He produces evidence from ethnography, archaeology, oceanography, from Creation stories, myths and sagas, and from linguistics and DNA analysis, to argue that this founder-civilisation was destroyed by the catastrophic flood, caused by a rapid rise in sea level at the end of the last Ice Age.

From the Author

'Eden in the East'overturns conventional ideas of the origins of western civilization in Mesopotamia. In this book I place Southeast Asia for the first time as the key to the first roots of civilisation. At the same time I provide scientific explanations for numerous, and previously unexplained, cultural links between early Eastern and Western cultures. Notable among these links are the hundreds of myths of a great flood which forced people into boats and left only a few survivors. I can now identify this flood as the dramatic rise in sea level at the end of the ice age that suddenly inundated vast areas of Eurasia. In other words the Biblical Flood really did occur. It had its most disastrous effects, however, in the continent of Southeast Asia - now a lost and half-sunken Eden.

As the Ice Age ended, there were three catastrophic and rapid rises in sea level. The last of these, which finished shortly before the start of civilization in Mesopotamia, may have been the one that was remembered. These three floods drowned the coastal cultures and all the flat continental shelves of Southeast Asia. As the sea rolled in, there was a mass emigration from the sinking continent. These flood-driven refugees, carried their domestic animals with them in large ocean-going canoes in all directions. The networks of sea trade, created by their settlements around the Indian Ocean, fertilized the Neolithic cultures of China, India, Mesopotamia and Egypt.

The Southeast Asian contributions to the building of the first cities in Mesopotamia may not have been solely technological. While they may have brought the new ideas and skills of megalithic construction cereal domestication, sea-faring, astronomy, navigation, trade and commerce, they may also have introduced the tools to harness and control the labour of the farmers and artisans. These included magic, religion, and concepts of state, kingship and social hierarchy.

The evidence:

While most alternative prehistories are based more on speculation than fact, I have found some very solid evidence; and have built on the work of specialists in many fields in addition to my own research, to support a comprehensive new picture.

The most solid facts come from oceanographic research of the last decade. It now appears that the great rise in sea level after the last ice age, known about for many years, was not gradual; three sudden ice-melts, the last of which was only 8000 years ago, had catastrophic effects on tropical coasts with flat continental shelves. Rapid land loss was compounded by superwaves, set off by cracks in the earth s crust as the weight of ice shifted to the seas.

Archaeology holds the most accurately dated clues to the past. I have devoted two chapters to archaeological evidence found on coasts and in caves throughout the Indo-Pacific region. All of the technological 'firsts' which signalled man's emergence from the long Palaeolithic era towards the end of the Ice Age come from the Pacific Rim islands. These include evidence of deliberate long-distance sailing and grinding of cereal flour in the Solomon islands from 30,000 years ago. The world's first pots, 12,500 years old, come from Japan. The first evidence that swamps were drained for agriculture comes from the New Guinea Highlands 9,000 years ago.

These snapshots hint at a much older history to the discovery of Neolithic skills in the East. The better archaeological preservation of the later stages of human development in Mesopotamia and Egypt, however, has given rise to the view that civilization started in the West.

I review the evidence of the spoken word in the two linguistic chapters. Experts in the history of language now recognise that Southeast Asia not Europe or West Asia was the centre of language dispersal at the end of the Ice Age. The ancestral language of the Micronesians and Polynesians did not come out of China, as has been recently assumed, but further south over 8000 years ago out of the drowning islands of Indonesia. As the Flood engulfed Indo- China and separated Sumatra from Malaysia the ancestral languages of the Khmers, whose descendants built Angkor Wat, moved west into India.

The most dramatic new findings in this book come out of my own research field. I have published more than 25 scientific papers on the genetic prehistory of the Indo-Pacific region over the past 15 years. Building on my initial work, in Eden in the East I have shown that genetic disorders can be used as people-markers revealing a new view of prehistoric migrations in the Indo-Pacific region. My latest finding, made in collaboration with the Oxford Institute of Molecular Medicine, was published in the American Journal of Human Genetics in October 1998. This paper arose directly out of my research for Eden in the East. It provides compelling evidence that Polynesians and other argonauts of the Indian and Pacific Oceans originated in eastern Indonesia back in the Ice Age rather than in China, as previously thought. This finding alone forces the realisation that the Polynesians' skills of sailing, navigation, astronomy and agriculture had their origins, back in Indonesia, during the Ice Age.

Another objective tool that I use to explore ancient East-West cultural influence in the last part of the book is comparative mythology. Uniquely shared folklore shows that counterparts and originals for nearly every Middle Eastern and European mythological archetype, including the Flood, can be found in the islands of eastern Indonesia and the southwest Pacific. Southeast Asia is revealed as the original Garden of Eden and the Flood as the force which drove people from Paradise.

My multidisciplinary approach to prehistoric enquiry has been recognised in the academic fields of linguistics and comparative folklore. I have been invited to present papers on my work on prehistory at international linguistic meetings. This year I contributed a chapter to a book on Flood myths in the Moluccas published by the Department of Languages and Cultures of Southeast Asia and Oceania, Leiden University (Netherlands). --This text refers to the Hardcover edition.

70 posted on 12/23/2004 7:37:29 AM PST by blam
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To: peterpanther
"At the same time, according Aztec history, was "the age of the white haired bearded giants", it was these people who built Atlantis - in the Caribbean."

I'm leaning toward the Sundaland area as the location of Atlantis...prior to the last surge of Ice Age melt 7-8,000 years ago.
It was this surge that opened up the Strait Of Mallacca(sp) and allowed migrants/refugees to head in that direction by boat/ship to Mesopotamia...wise men from the east?

71 posted on 12/23/2004 8:01:19 AM PST by blam
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